tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post1321842892643933308..comments2024-03-28T00:17:55.823+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: All systems (without exceptions) are always wrong...Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-51895117814259956752017-11-10T13:07:21.759+00:002017-11-10T13:07:21.759+00:00Fair enough! -
All I can say is to quote Kingsle...Fair enough! - <br /><br />All I can say is to quote Kingsley Amis - People who like this sort of thing, may find this the sort of thing they like. <br /><br />(Otherwise not.)Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-2539470943368131262017-11-10T12:40:41.285+00:002017-11-10T12:40:41.285+00:00Dr Charlton, I have been reading your blog(s) for ...Dr Charlton, I have been reading your blog(s) for the past seven years! I suppose all I have to say is I remain unconvinced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-28013557191358117282017-11-10T12:36:53.388+00:002017-11-10T12:36:53.388+00:00You'll just have to read some more of this blo...You'll just have to read some more of this blog! - especially over the past year - e.g. You might word search Primary ThinkingBruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-26589512737680330652017-11-10T12:02:56.949+00:002017-11-10T12:02:56.949+00:00I cannot comprehend how we are to move beyond livi...I cannot comprehend how we are to move beyond living within certain systems. This implies we will eventually dispense with thought because it is inextricable with words, and words are abstractions, a systemisation of reality. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-15447984729565446082017-11-10T11:49:28.863+00:002017-11-10T11:49:28.863+00:00@Simon - Well it *has-been* our condition to live ...@Simon - Well it *has-been* our condition to live within systems, but (according to Barfield/ Steiner and accepted by me) that has not been the case since the era of the Romantics (Blake and Coleridge specifically, for the English). <br /><br />The idea is that human history is a developmental ('evolutionary' in the old sense of the word) process, under divine destiny; and that the advent of Romanticism was supposed to be the beginning of a new (and post-systematic) phase. <br /><br />However, Romanticism has been continually attacked and misrepresented, and its various effusions have been undercut by Christian apostasy and hijacked by various partial-materialist-systemising movements of the political Left. <br /><br />200 years down the line, we are further back from where we ought to be - but, potentially, the reality of our situation is getting clearer and clearer for those few who are not inside the single-linked-bureaucratic-media system... <br /><br />Different individuals will eventually be forced to a clear sight of the true situation at various times (everybody, sooner or later, perhaps beyond death - because God can ensure that this happens) - but how they will each decide (accept divine destiny, or opt-out/ oppose it) is something that cannot be predicted and remains to be seen. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-52320445592687640382017-11-10T11:34:18.563+00:002017-11-10T11:34:18.563+00:00Thanks for the quote source and correction, Dr Cha...Thanks for the quote source and correction, Dr Charlton.<br /><br />As far as I can tell, however, it is part of our condition to live within systems. Reality cannot be understood any other way. The most rudimentary decision-making involves value-judgements, which imply a system.<br /><br />It seems to me that the trick is to understand where and how systems can be used. For instance, as seems to be suggested by Blake, the systemisation of Christianity was an unmitigated disaster - it reduced Christ's existence, which is and was the entirety of Christianity, to a mere set of rules to be followed, rather than a pattern of existence to be embodied, and set Christianity on it's course of collapse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-79291986402818671852017-11-10T10:33:40.369+00:002017-11-10T10:33:40.369+00:00@Simon - That's a near (partial) quote from Wi...@Simon - That's a near (partial) quote from William Blake:<br /><br />"I must create a system or be enslaved by another mans..." <br /><br />But, properly understood (ie. from Blake's own metaphysical assumptions - and Not using this fragment as a proof-text), Blake did Not create a system. At least not one that he endorsed or lived by; not one that captured him; but only a sort-of system (a collection of described-visions, joined edge to edge in a pseudo-narrative, that he used as a pointer - but then intended to be discarded). Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-51147308305365066572017-11-10T07:53:50.410+00:002017-11-10T07:53:50.410+00:00I'm trying to recall a quote I read somewhere,...I'm trying to recall a quote I read somewhere, it goes "We all live by a system, the question is whether we will live by our own or someone else's", and I think that is an apt response to this type of reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-53608952877700980692017-11-06T14:04:18.510+00:002017-11-06T14:04:18.510+00:00@Ted - Absolutely! And in the gospels, that fact i...@Ted - Absolutely! And in the gospels, that fact is staring us in the face. <br /><br />Nonetheless it is so easy - in responding to questions or attacks, or even just in trying to communicate or convince, or for reasons of social expediency - to fall-into systematisation; and then for that abstract/ simplified/ false model to become primary. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-71476607230364356862017-11-06T13:39:49.241+00:002017-11-06T13:39:49.241+00:00This is the beauty of Christianity, it was never a...This is the beauty of Christianity, it was never about a system, but a person. And the person is the message!tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.com