tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post2061203997786886157..comments2024-03-28T00:17:55.823+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Traditionalism as a mental disorder? - Kalb on LiberalismBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-77889551833449624082011-06-07T17:45:01.396+01:002011-06-07T17:45:01.396+01:00About the "fullness of Christianity" -- ...About the "fullness of Christianity" -- let's remember that any and every baptized believer has, "in principle," the fullness of the Faith, because he has Christ.Wurmbrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345523517796356674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-34046051904983725392011-06-06T20:37:51.395+01:002011-06-06T20:37:51.395+01:00@Dale - well, that's what it feels like. And s...@Dale - well, that's what it feels like. And surely from such an authority it is true. Yet also this is hard to discern from prelest.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-14631664032366591092011-06-06T20:06:05.680+01:002011-06-06T20:06:05.680+01:00“In times of trouble,
each Christian
is himself re...“In times of trouble,<br />each Christian<br />is himself responsible<br />for the fullness<br />of Christianity.”<br />-- Archbishop John MaximovitchWurmbrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345523517796356674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-44420506684670951182011-06-05T06:23:37.143+01:002011-06-05T06:23:37.143+01:00"I don't have a strategy against Leftists..."I don't have a strategy against Leftists. They have won and the story will now play out to destruction."<br /><br />There is no moderately progressive strategy against leftists. The self destructive propensities of democracy and what we now call women's liberation have been known for a very long time. <br /><br />That democracies self destruct has long been known. It has also long been known that female sexual liberation produces what we now call a prisoner's dilemma problem that greatly reduces male female cooperation in producing and raising children, with the result that cultures that fail to restrain female sexuality, fail to reproduce physically or culturally. Since what few children there are are not raised by their fathers, such cultures do not produce warriors, nor do they remember their past.<br /><br />Typically patriarchy is restored by invaders that kill all the men, castrate all the male children, and enslave all the women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-39711848423143867432011-06-04T18:24:37.031+01:002011-06-04T18:24:37.031+01:00Economic factors also weigh in on this. Our elite...Economic factors also weigh in on this. Our elites used to have their wealth be land based. This encouraged long term thinking. Capitalism though is about making a quick buck and PC is the perfect ideology for the corporate world.Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-89437080151785692872011-06-04T18:17:15.160+01:002011-06-04T18:17:15.160+01:00@Thursday
I don't have a strategy against Lef...@Thursday<br /><br />I don't have a strategy against Leftists. They have won and the story will now play out to destruction. <br /><br />The world cannot be saved - I hope to help save a few individual souls.<br /><br />I agree that fitness damaging is not a synonym for bad - not at all. But at a population level - and when pursued for a worldly rationale - it is pretty much a synonym for psychopathology. <br /><br />To sacrifice fitness for explicitly transcendental, other-worldly, salvific goals is reasonable - indeed traditional. <br /><br />But to sacrifice fitness when a nihilist, relativist, materialist - while denying the effect of doing so; while denying the evidence that it will fatally damage societal function etc - all that is insane.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-34090981472786256602011-06-04T18:14:51.800+01:002011-06-04T18:14:51.800+01:00Elites have always been higher IQ, but those highe...Elites have always been higher IQ, but those higher IQ elites lived before the rise of science. The problem is that the immense success of scientific rationalism in the past few centuries has made our elites over reliant on it. We have been inundated with pseudo-science.Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-11428894745149542732011-06-04T18:08:41.769+01:002011-06-04T18:08:41.769+01:00@Sam - I try and explain my reasoning in the forth...@Sam - I try and explain my reasoning in the forthcoming Thought Prison book - I'll e-mail you a draft copy. <br /><br />In essence I think it probable that extra-high IQ evolved in the past couple of thousand years - perhaps even the last thousand years - in some places where the 'middle classes' had the highest reproductive success. <br /><br />This group probably always had a tendency towards atheism and Leftism, but nations were ruled by a military elite until relatively recently.<br /><br />But none of this was inevitable - the intellectual elite made a *choice* to reject orthodox Christianity (or Judaism) and to purse this-worldly hedonism which eventually led to the full-blown nihilism we experience now. <br /><br />It is innumerable individual acts of apostasy which lie at the root of PC. Most of us have been complicit.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-9793456861231302892011-06-04T18:07:41.322+01:002011-06-04T18:07:41.322+01:00Sam:
Bruce's clever silly argument is the bet...Sam:<br /><br />Bruce's clever silly argument is the better explanation because high IQ disposes one towards abstraction, and PC is the supreme example of abstraction applied to life.Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-75585629427820706762011-06-04T18:04:46.833+01:002011-06-04T18:04:46.833+01:00The problem with your strategy against leftists is...The problem with your strategy against leftists is that fitness-damaging is not a synonym for bad.Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-53990597073551822482011-06-04T17:14:17.582+01:002011-06-04T17:14:17.582+01:00Couldn't it be true not that high IQ predispos...Couldn't it be true not that high IQ predisposes people to become pc liberals, but that high IQ predisposes people to make themselves adept in the prevailing cultural/political norm? Surely the high-IQ bands were overrepresented in the Egyptian priesthood, the Byzantine government, the Jesuit divines of the Counterreformation, the clergy of Puritan Massachusetts Bay Colony? And some of the brightest rebels became so only by accident in the quest for more perfect orthodoxy - Calvin, Luther, Jonathan Edwards. Jansen. <br />I think the anxiety about the correlation between intelligence and modern attitudes - the crescendo of surveys and articles asserting that atheists are brighter, advanced degree people are more socialist - is a symptom of the wobbliness of this consensus - an ill presage.HofJudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02709538079720873322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-73571445403494051772011-06-04T13:50:58.129+01:002011-06-04T13:50:58.129+01:00@ajb - "Won't they respond by rolling the...@ajb - "Won't they respond by rolling their eyes"<br /><br />Yes - or worse. <br /><br />But my line is: *never* argue with PC zealots. Simply say nothing; or state the truth once then shut-up (Easier said than done). <br /><br />If you do state the truth then do so not as a tactic to change minds but simply because it is the truth.<br /><br />@chris - "how can liberals claim to be more rational" - because they are insane, I'm afraid: but when insanity is endemic it becomes the water we swim in. <br /><br />Almost nobody amonf Western intellectuals is utterly immune to the insanity of PC - certainly I am not immune to it, try as I might...Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-88220202185829942802011-06-04T12:44:50.815+01:002011-06-04T12:44:50.815+01:00Furthermore, how can liberals claim to be more rat...Furthermore, how can liberals claim to be more rational when clearly the direction of neurobiology, evolutionary psychology, behavioural genetics, indeed all of the sciences that relate to behaviour, is to vindicate traditional/conservative policies and values?chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-38919951440842048192011-06-04T12:05:05.285+01:002011-06-04T12:05:05.285+01:00Strange, I always figured the defining pyschologic...Strange, I always figured the defining pyschological characteristic of liberals was rampant emotionalism, which is the anti-thesis of reason.chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-43368934962377541702011-06-04T10:43:10.196+01:002011-06-04T10:43:10.196+01:00"but in fact to make the credible counter-arg..."but in fact to make the credible counter-argument that significant (because fitness-damaging) psychological disorder is endemic among progressives."<br /><br />Won't they respond by rolling their eyes, because pathology as they mean it = more suffering or less pleasure, and so is only indirectly related to biological fitness (and lower levels of biological fitness might = higher levels of "PC fitness", so to speak)?ajbhttp://anthonyburgoyne.comnoreply@blogger.com