tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post2359146243538194499..comments2024-03-28T17:44:11.289+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Ending-up on the wrong side of litmus test issuesBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-62958399274298466092013-01-11T19:57:53.725+00:002013-01-11T19:57:53.725+00:00This may be a prime example, or rather, he might&#...This may be a prime example, or rather, he might've been evil from the beginning?<br />http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/a-theologian-who-found-inspiration-in-a-jazz-club/<br />Contemplationisthttp://contemplationist.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-13244499035336305682013-01-11T16:34:06.972+00:002013-01-11T16:34:06.972+00:00The problem with climate change is that whatever u...The problem with climate change is that whatever understanding the scientists have of climate change is utterly nullified by their lack of understanding of society. Thus, if you have reasons to believe that climate change is an issue, and seek out people that agree with you, you will inevitably fall into a crowd of people whose primary concern is things like 'climate equity', 'education' of 'denialists', and even more obscure issues, which wind up drawing in the full gamut of the social concerns of the politically correct. These issues are pursued with fervour out of all proportion with their actual potential to solve the supposed main problem, which (some of them barely even remember) has to do with the composition of the atmosphere.<br /><br />At first you will be tempted to humour these people; then you will be tempted to compromise with them; then you will be tempted to agree with them. At which point you are in a looking-glass mockery of reality in which what you proclaim to be the most feasible way of solving the problem, is actually the least feasible one, but just so happens to work great evil in the process of attempting it. (For example, there are people who speak of the need to counter 'ignorance' with 'education' so that the correct politicians can be voted in to enact the correct policies. My endless frustration in talking to these people is that they cannot be made to notice that this requires an 'education' whose efficacy makes it more akin to mind control.)<br /><br />I have not met anyone who publically affirms climate change to be a primary concern for humanity, and who is not visibly in the process of being corrupted by the abovementioned temptations, and I imagine Bruce has made a similar observation, which is probably why this is a litmus test issue for him, and will be a litmus test issue until the hypothetical genuine-reactionary-who-believes-in-climate-change appears on the scene to prove him wrong.<br /><br />If you start out believing the science, but not the politics, it feels a bit like showing up at the Council of Elrond expecting to get things done, and suddenly everyone votes that Gandalf should put on the One Ring and go duke it out with the Dark Lord. Are there no councils gathered in all Middle-Earth to oppose Sauron, outside of these madmen? Even so, is it at all wise to throw in your lot with them?<br /><br />I am undecided on the reality of the actual climate change issue. Moldbug delivers some persuasive arguments as to why it is impossibles for scientists to make such pronouncements without engaging in hair-raising dishonesty; on the other hand, I would not be _too_ surprised if some gleeful enemy has granted knowledge of a coming catastrophe precisely to those people who are too detached from reality to be able to avert it, who are the most likely to cause great evil by _trying_ to avert it, and whose conduct is a living admonition to all good and sane people to completely ignore their pronouncements.<br /><br />If that is what you believe -- that horrible natural disasters are likely coming, and there is no power in this world to avert them that is not itself a dark temptation -- then the reasonable response is to repent of your share in causing the coming tribulations, and if you do that, you are not likely to be found making public pronouncements on either side of the entire mess, and so you will not be failing any litmus tests. You will be looking to the next world for any meaning and aid in your plight, because this world is most certainly doomed without divine intervention.<br /><br />Again, this is not the attitude of any of the actual believers in climate change I have ever encountered.Arakawahttp://arakawa.github.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-33128027436339535972013-01-11T07:01:31.712+00:002013-01-11T07:01:31.712+00:00WmJas - I could theorize 'why' - but surel...WmJas - I could theorize 'why' - but surely you don't challenge the fact that it does? <br /><br />(I refer, of course, to intelligent, informed climate change activists; of whom there are many millions.)Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-22335021995638398012013-01-11T06:28:48.925+00:002013-01-11T06:28:48.925+00:00Why is climate change a litmus test issue which ma...Why is climate change a litmus test issue which marks one as an enemy of God?Wm Jashttp://wmjas.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com