tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post6032433888855641363..comments2024-03-28T17:44:11.289+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Why didn't a supposedly-omnipotent God make men already-perfect and living in a perfect world? Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-20422054340941883372018-07-04T13:41:44.002+01:002018-07-04T13:41:44.002+01:00I think your thesis is flawed.
God doesn’t even ne...I think your thesis is flawed.<br />God doesn’t even need to be omni or not omnibpotent to answer this dilemma.<br />The point is that if God is truly Love, then free will MUST exist.<br /><br />And having been created with free will we have been free to act in ways that are sinful and thus lead to exclusion from Eden. At least until we perfect ourselves.<br /><br />The problem of “imperfection” is the same as the problem evil. It has to exist for our ultimate loving surrender to be truly freely given.The Kurganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881385144182925922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-2385675737366628482018-07-03T05:57:31.400+01:002018-07-03T05:57:31.400+01:00@CCL - That's an interesting point that I have...@CCL - That's an interesting point that I haven't seen before. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-37701090250738050302018-07-03T04:58:39.724+01:002018-07-03T04:58:39.724+01:00I think that it is better to focus on the fact tha...I think that it is better to focus on the fact that the traditional meaning of "omnipotence" includes the ability to do things that are logically absurd.<br /><br />If God simply created only what was already perfect, then the imperfect people who wail about why God didn't simply make "them" perfect in the first place wouldn't <i>exist at all</i>. What would exist would only be some other people, who had not one of the imperfections which are essential and self-defining character attributes of the people God has allowed to exist on this Earth.<br /><br />Those perfect people may indeed exist in some better (and unFallen) world, but logically speaking for the people who have defined themselves by their sins to exist at all, God has to allow their imperfection. There is no possible option of them having been created perfect in the first place, because that simply wouldn't be <i>them</i>.<br /><br />"Them" naturally including us, only differing to the degree that we have given up complaining that there is a logically <i>defining</i> difference between us and some entirely different perfect people God probably put on some other planet.<br /><br />Of course, the main slight of tongue involved in this is that the people complaining do not really believe that they are <i>imperfect</i> in any way, they are just complaining about the imperfection of everyone <i>else</i> having been brought to life by God.Chiu ChunLinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519192610708043962noreply@blogger.com