tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post6156357418947019791..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Death as dreaming sleep (and the coming of Hell)Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-25627142134156969462018-10-02T15:54:33.074+01:002018-10-02T15:54:33.074+01:00I would agree that resurrection is like being awak...I would agree that resurrection is like being awakened from a dream, but not everyone particularly <i>likes</i> being conscious rather than asleep.<br /><br />I know <i>I</i> don't.<br /><br />Dreams are most likely to be <i>consciously</i> remembered if one wakes during one. This can be a result of the intensity of experience in a dream resulting in waking up, in which case the dream is likely to be related concepts or memories of particular felt significance to the dreamer. Otherwise the memory of the dream will be unconscious, or perhaps it is better to say that the <i>effect</i> will be a reconciliation of subconscious contradictions.<br /><br />Thus most dreams one remembers <i>do</i> have significance which one has a <i>reason</i> to be consciously aware of them. One <i>can</i> be thankful to God that it is so, but many choose to believe that this felicity is nothing but a chance of accumulated random mutations.<br /><br />I'm reasonably certain that the latter will have worse dreams. Denial of foundational truths about the nature and purpose of one's own existence causes profound subconscious conflicts. I used to have absolutely <i>terrible</i> dreams back when I rejected my own fundamental nature and purpose.Chiu ChunLinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519192610708043962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-56590041915092868922018-09-30T14:26:20.354+01:002018-09-30T14:26:20.354+01:00@William - Judaism too, I understand.
I have hea...@William - Judaism too, I understand. <br /><br />I have heard it suggested that this can be understaood as different human understandings of the same divine revelation, known directly (potentially) by all people, operating across the world. <br /><br />Something of the sort rings true to me; that everybody everywhere could potentially know about the birth and death of Jesus, his resurrection and the coming of the Holy Ghost. This might be known communally, as religion; or in all Men's hearts, by direct revelation. <br /><br />(Exactly this is described wrt the ancient Americans in The Book of Mormon.) Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-68338875829265783212018-09-30T14:21:53.900+01:002018-09-30T14:21:53.900+01:00@MT - I think I wrote a post on this at some time ...@MT - I think I wrote a post on this at some time (you could try word searching dreams or dreaming) - but in a nutshell I believe that (in general) our dreams are experiences and we learn from them; but like much of our learning we are not explicitly aware of it. So we do not remember (most) dreams because we do not need to remember them - they do their good at a 'subconscious' level. <br /><br />So, as you suggest, there is probably something different about dreams we do remember (although sometimes this is arbitrary due to the circumstances of waking, or because we are making a special effort). Perhaps these are those rarer dreams it would be good for us to remember explicitly. <br /><br />However, the meaning of dreams seems to lie at a different level from their surface detail - another idea of Steiner's was (I think) that the meaning of dreams was in the feelings they evoked... I belive something of that sort is correct. <br /><br />By analogy conisder a myth: what is *The* myth of King Arthur, or Robin Hood or Merlin? The answer is that there is no canonical or definitive myth, but only many different *versions*; yet somehow we feel that behind all the versions is a true myth, which operates without words or pictures but at a level of feelings. <br /><br />So the idea would be that *that* is the true meaning of a dream: the myth behind the dream - the same deep myth might lead to many different surface dreams. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-23018045793672809312018-09-30T13:16:24.413+01:002018-09-30T13:16:24.413+01:00Very interesting piece, Bruce. I don't think i...Very interesting piece, Bruce. I don't think it is sufficiently realised how the advent of Jesus Christ changed everything for everybody not just those who chose to become Christians. For example, both Hinduism and Buddhism developed in ways that were clear responses to the Christ impulse of love. That can't be proved since it was an inner response but to me it's self-evident.William Wildbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231219533755925897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-52424912690415823912018-09-30T13:07:22.729+01:002018-09-30T13:07:22.729+01:00I had meant to ask you this on a previous post abo...I had meant to ask you this on a previous post about dreams, Bruce: for a long time I have wondered why some people seem to remember their dreams better than others. Would you agree that perhaps people who are "rememberers" are so because there is some Lesson that they are in greater need of?Matthew Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10705518098650594541noreply@blogger.com