tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post8183330618977185086..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Who are the virtuous poor? Northumbrian shepherds?Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-42631186569789331372011-06-26T03:17:37.737+01:002011-06-26T03:17:37.737+01:00When I think of the virtuous poor, I think of many...When I think of the virtuous poor, I think of many of the teachers I had as a child: living in apartments, driving ancient cars, hanging out with their books and grading papers late into the night.<br /><br />They've changed teaching since then so that it's now some kind of industry, but at that point, it was an honorable profession that got respect from the middle classes.Brett Stevenshttp://www.amerika.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-65346503421694539682011-06-25T07:20:31.656+01:002011-06-25T07:20:31.656+01:00@ Gyan/ JP - my previous comment in reply was too ...@ Gyan/ JP - my previous comment in reply was too open to misreading, so I deleted it.<br /><br />I think an important distinction is between sinning - which is universal and invevitable - and *propagandizing* in favour of sin and creating laws and rules that encourage sin and punish virtue: which is a particular feature of the privileged (especially Leftists) in modern society.<br /><br />Sin is forgiven if repented, but it is not enough to avoid sin oneself - it is sinful to encourage sin in others, and this must be repented also. <br /><br />Few modern mainstream intellectuals are innocent of the sin of promotion of sin - it is almost a career requirement. <br /><br />(I speak from personal experience of being, in a small way, a modern mainstream intellectual - the internet has many examples of the kind of stuff I mean, written by me.)Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-83620994882091885332011-06-25T07:12:02.848+01:002011-06-25T07:12:02.848+01:00@Crow - so it isn't just me... At the very lea...@Crow - so it isn't just me... At the very least it is a folie a deux!Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-67425295136229863422011-06-25T07:11:05.413+01:002011-06-25T07:11:05.413+01:00@Thursday - decadence is indeed a frequent product...@Thursday - decadence is indeed a frequent product of civilization - but explicit moral and aesthetic inversion, supported by blanket propaganda and reversal of traditional laws... now that is something new.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-25228575997151152412011-06-24T16:37:47.297+01:002011-06-24T16:37:47.297+01:00I have only known one shepherd, and your descripti...I have only known one shepherd, and your description fits him perfectly. Shropshire, it was, on the Powys border. I shall always remember him. <br />Admirable, in the quietest of ways. <br />His very presence made me smile.The Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04323413604073160469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-89028103816267492622011-06-24T13:58:11.324+01:002011-06-24T13:58:11.324+01:00As that link I posted in an earlier post shows (se...As that link I posted in an earlier post shows (see <a href="http://blogs.forbes.com/willwilkinson/2011/03/28/the-moral-default-setting-liberal-or-conservative" rel="nofollow">here</a>, liberal morality appears to be the spontaneous morality of the rich and comfortable, and by historical standards almost everyone in the West is extremely rich. All of which seems to dovetail with what the Bible says about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.<br /><br />Liberal morality doesn't appear to be <i>just</i> the fruit of elite manipulation, though that hasn't helped. It is genuinely and spontaneously popular.Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-38913697000060246032011-06-24T11:52:02.579+01:002011-06-24T11:52:02.579+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-55936885845637843222011-06-24T11:39:08.667+01:002011-06-24T11:39:08.667+01:00For the poor to be virtuous in the West these days...For the poor to be virtuous in the West these days, they would have to resist not merely the many temptations of a vulgar popular culture but also the bribes that the government offers, using money stolen from others, in exchange for the poor man's vote. Few have such strength of will.JPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-70185580405144789452011-06-24T09:44:17.064+01:002011-06-24T09:44:17.064+01:00To whom much is given, much is expected.
CS Lewis...To whom much is given, much is expected.<br /><br />CS Lewis has observed a man trained to be cruel from a young age say for example in SS, even a apparently small act of kindness <br />may count for a great deal with God than for people that are to eye habitually more kindGyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.com