tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post8399600221517486217..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: In contrast with the Total Perspective Vortex...Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-66074080135715610842011-11-01T23:03:22.529+00:002011-11-01T23:03:22.529+00:00@Gabe: Bruce is the one who thinks it is all meani...@Gabe: Bruce is the one who thinks it is all meaningless, not me. To me, meaning evolves along with the universe. We won't find out what it was all about until it is finished.<br /><br />@PatrickH: I am a lover of C.S. Lewis (and Tolkien) but I haven't read Discarded Image yet. I will give it a try. Naturally, as an atheist, I think Lewis was ultimately wrong, but he is always entertaining and thought-provoking. I take the MacPhee perspective in reverse on Lewis: In error, but on the side of the angels.HenryOrientJnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-85805647641370705092011-11-01T05:22:52.153+00:002011-11-01T05:22:52.153+00:00"If I had a canned theory ("God waved hi..."If I had a canned theory ("God waved his magic wand...")"<br /><br />That would be funny if I were a fool.<br /><br />"it would not seem nearly to amazing."<br /><br />How odd! You imagine the creation of the Universe to be less amazing then the random, meaningless, nothingness that somehow spawned our pointless, random, meaningless, nothingness of an existance.<br /><br />All I can say to that is Thank God I became a Theist!Gabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-16444925048452255722011-10-31T18:58:36.924+00:002011-10-31T18:58:36.924+00:00Henry, the modern universe is far too vast for the...Henry, the modern universe is far too vast for the human mind to have any reaction proportionate to it, not awe, not fear, not stupefaction. I would argue the quantitative vastness of the universe produces a reaction of indifference in most people. A hundred million light-years here, a hundred million there, pretty soon you're talking quite some distance. Things beyond a certain size cease to be 'vast' because they lose all connection to human experience.<br /><br />By contrast, the medieval universe was large enough to feel big to its inhabitants but not so large as to escape any sense of its size relative to human experience. CS Lewis talks about this brilliantly in his (I believe) last book: The Discarded Image. A really extraordinary work, one of his finest.PatrickHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-60074880172313924552011-10-31T16:39:11.347+00:002011-10-31T16:39:11.347+00:00Dear me, I am not only a nihilist, but apparently ...Dear me, I am not only a nihilist, but apparently not a very good one according to you Bruce:<br /><br />"For the modern hedonic atheist nihilist - to look at the Universe is to feel insignificance, despair, meaninglessness..."<br /><br />I look at the stars at night and experience exhilaration over the vastness of the universe and the wonder of its origin. If I had a canned theory ("God waved his magic wand...") it would not seem nearly to amazing.<br /><br />Everybody is quoting poetry these days so I will add some Whitman:<br /><br /><b>This is thy hour O Soul, thy free flight into the wordless,<br />Away from books, away from art, the day erased, the lesson<br /> done,<br />Thee fully forth emerging, silent, gazing, pondering the<br /> themes thou lovest best,<br />Night, sleep, death and the stars.</b><br /><br />Also: Finally downloaded "Thought Prison". I got a Kindle app on my new HTC Sensation dual-core cell phone (such things amuse the likes of me) and am reading it now.HenryOrientJnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-10440112423787133532011-10-31T15:23:34.753+00:002011-10-31T15:23:34.753+00:00@pg - sorry, I don't like Pope: he seems a fak...@pg - sorry, I don't like Pope: he seems a fake poet to me, and a shallow thinker. As a result I have read almost none of him, and so could well be wrong!Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-75881194154922951362011-10-31T14:36:52.530+00:002011-10-31T14:36:52.530+00:00Know then thyself, presume not God to scan,
The pr...<b><br />Know then thyself, presume not God to scan,<br />The proper study of mankind is Man.<br />Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,<br />A being darkly wise and rudely great:<br />With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,<br />With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,<br />He hangs between, in doubt to act or rest;<br />In doubt to deem himself a God or Beast;<br />In doubt his mind or body to prefer;<br />Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;<br />Alike in ignorance, his reason such,<br />Whether he thinks too little or too much; ...<br /><br />Meanwhile opinion gilds with varying rays<br />Those painted clouds that beautify our days;<br />Each want of happiness by Hope supplied,<br />And each vacuity of sense by Pride:<br />These build as fast as Knowledge can destroy;<br />In Folly's cup still laughs the bubble joy;<br />One prospect lost, another still we gain,<br />And not a vanity is giv'n in vain:<br />Ev'n mean Self-love becomes, by force divine,<br />The scale to measure other's wants by thine.<br />See! and confess one comfort still must rise;<br />'Tis this, Though Man's a fool, yet God is wise. </b><br /><br /><br />I prefer Alexander Pope to the Psalmists. (I suppose there was more than one Psalmist, but I'm open to correction on that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com