tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post8869009854851356731..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Freudianism in the USA, and its enduring harm to global public discourse (including the Secular Right, 'manosphere' and 'Trad' Christians)Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-36453926089448691352022-09-24T19:54:09.638+01:002022-09-24T19:54:09.638+01:00I have an, as yet underdeveloped, theory that we&#...I have an, as yet underdeveloped, theory that we've had the best part of 150 years of a kind of Psychic war between the Freudians with their ideas for open society, breaking things down and egalitarianising things and the Wagnerians on the other hand, looking for men to realise their potential and become greater and lift the world that way. <br />There must have been cafes in Switzerland and Vienna between 1890 and 1914 which contained 3/4 of the men who have shaped the ideas, science and politics of the modern world.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309069824997740570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-76923330317712773392022-09-23T18:31:14.342+01:002022-09-23T18:31:14.342+01:00The US way of understanding was quickly (almost in...<i>The US way of understanding was quickly (almost instantly) exported to the rest of the world, mainly by domination of mass media, but also by the US status of political hegemony.</i><br /><br />Interestingly enough, the man with the most individual impact on this mass dissemination of Freud's outlook on the world was none other than his own nephew, Edward Bernays. His role and influence in the development of mass media into what it is today cannot be exaggerated. GFCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-55186440862909740472022-09-22T12:59:14.993+01:002022-09-22T12:59:14.993+01:00@Epi - I do not think childhood trauma is any more...@Epi - I do not think childhood trauma is any more than one factor among many. For example, I have seen plenty of happy and well raised children go off-the-rails at adolescence, or in young adult life, under the continuous, pervasive and increasing pressure of evil from our culture - due to the lack of effectively motivating Christianity in their own souls. <br /><br />wrt PTSD - Seb Jung is just describing *classic* shell-shock/ PTSD - in that it was originally (and correctly) defined as a *delayed* reaction to extreme and debilitating combat stress. The idea that it should be manifested immediately after stress is a modern corruption of the concept, without valid foundation. <br /><br />I am not dismissing the importance of loving families - and these are a prime target of establishment totalitarian propaganda. But it seems obvious that loving families are necessary but not sufficient; and that a truly Christian metaphysics is also required - in order to provide sufficient courage and hope to resist the expediency of present evil. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-63846570611176044962022-09-22T12:34:10.945+01:002022-09-22T12:34:10.945+01:00I wouldn't be surprised if childhood trauma or...I wouldn't be surprised if childhood trauma or whatever is a far more prominent factor in people's lives now. Our society seems to be designed to torment and worsen all emotional states, so wounds that might've healed in a month under loving tribal conditions in the past might well fester for life in the alienated in the lonely, loveless hellscape of the modern West. <br /><br />There's a fascinating book called Tribe by the war correspondent Sebastian Junger. He noticed that the soldiers he befriended only suffered PTSD when they returned home from war. He believed it wasn't combat that traumatized them, but the shock of abandonment when they re-entered civilian "society" after the intense closeness of military brotherhood. The same might obtain for non-combat trauma - people aren't healing because they aren't enveloped in loving families. Epimetheusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-24191248101311416762022-09-21T17:54:29.850+01:002022-09-21T17:54:29.850+01:00@LM - "the manosphere doesn't seem very m...@LM - "the manosphere doesn't seem very manly to me" "The need to constantly talk to strangers over the Internet about various traumas is a reflection of Freudian values"<br /><br />I agree. <br /><br />I feel similarly about the desire of so many modern Men to show-off about their weight training regimes, post pictures of their muscled bodies, and boast how much they can lift; and to equate this with what they term masculinity... <br /><br />https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2014/08/are-you-fit-are-you-strong-if-so-fit.html<br />https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2019/01/real-tough-men-versus-what-currently.html<br /><br />When it comes to this kind of behaviour, Freud's nonsense about 'repression' and 'overcompensation' may have had *some* kernel of truth!<br /><br />I detest that seedy subversive stuff about male friendships (and indeed female) being supposedly (at root) sexualized (e.g. sniggering snark about Frodo and Sam, or Merry and Pippin, in Lord of the Rings); and regard it as part of the demonic strategy to destroy all strong personal commitments (also marriage and family) to render everybody isolated, alienated, and hence submissive to the bureaucratic machine and mass media distraction. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-90012896302447801082022-09-21T17:47:52.699+01:002022-09-21T17:47:52.699+01:00Interesting and confirms some of my impressions. ...Interesting and confirms some of my impressions. At times with such things I wonder if its less the leader (Freud, Steiner) and more the followers/adherents/propagators that are responsible for the distorting the ideas to those that suit their inclinations and or self interest. For example, Freuds last book Moses and Monotheism would likely lead most avowed Freudians to have a stroke. R.J.Cavazoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12450048633891439382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-27263486213294620402022-09-21T17:07:04.255+01:002022-09-21T17:07:04.255+01:00Francis Berger hit the nail on the head when he st...Francis Berger hit the nail on the head when he stated the Sigmund Freud and Karl Marx have done more damage to the West than the two world wars combined. We largely have Freud to thank for destroying same sex friendships. It used to be that two people of the same sex could show great affection and even live together w/o being considered to be homosexual. Freud popularized the idea that intimate friendships were repressed homosexuality. <br /><br />Ironically the manosphere doesn't seem very manly to me. What could be less masculine than to complain about women over the Internet and pour out details about horrid ex wives? Real men don't worry about being masculine; they just are. The need to constantly talk to strangers over the Internet about various traumas is a reflection of Freudian values. We're all caught up in leftism and don't even realize it.Lady Mermaidhttp://www.twitter.com/mermaid_2007noreply@blogger.com