Tuesday, 23 December 2025

Nationalism 2025 is just another top-down (Leftist) ideology

Real bottom-up nationalism was a phenomenon of the late 19th and early 20th century - it was, indeed, the first attempt by developing nations to do without religion as the basis of social cohesion (specifically, it was the first post-Christianity ideology.

Instead of a common religion, the basis for social cohesion was intended to be racial and national identity - "blood and soil". 

This early nationalism sometimes worked as a primary motivator, perhaps because it necessarily included a residue of common national religion (e.g. in Ireland, or Spain - where, for a while, nationalists ruled in collaboration with the Roman Catholic Church) - but this strength was always brief, and faded after a generation or so. 


Since then (and this includes the post-empire forms); nationalism has been, like all other forms of mainstream politics, essentially a top-down, ruling-class-driven ideology. 

Later nationalism was (and is) a "local elites" project. 

That is; a matter of the local clerical and managerial class (often journalists, school teachers and clerks) trying to propagandize the masses to support their plans of fragmentation of a larger political unit, into smaller national groupings. 

This fragmentation brought new career and other opportunities for the local elites - who had previously been kept-out of power by the larger-unit's leadership class. 


But the bottom line is that such nationalism is just-another variant of Leftism: i.e. it is a type of secular materialism, with utilitarian values rooted in this-worldly hedonism (i.e. the claim to optimize human gratification - in this instance of indigenous members of the nation). 

Nationalism nowadays shares the arbitrariness and incoherence of other Leftisms: it entails vast efforts of propaganda to be disseminated by media and education, and enforced by laws and the state bureaucracy. 

It survives by pandering to the local elites, whose careers and status depend on sustaining the nationist fictions - however feeble.  


What is more, in the past several decades nationalism has failed everywhere from Ireland to Iceland to sustain itself. 

Indeed, even ideologically-"nationalist" leaders have in practice and overwhelmingly willingly and enthusiastically embraced the most destructive aspects of globalism, from self-subjection to multi-national groupings and agencies (EU, UN-WHO etc), assimilation into international finance and trade; and enforced native population subordination-to and replacement-by the necessarily destructive phenomenon of mass immigration. 

Self-styled nationalism in 2025, such as that in Scotland, Australia, New Zealand; is merely a film of window-dressing applied to conceal some of the most globalist servile and native-population self-destructive even in our corrupted world!


Nationalism as of here-and-now is therefore a false and delusional hope - futile at best, but most likely just-another agent for the agendas of international totalitarianism and/or societal chaos leading towards WWIII. 

  

5 comments:

Laeth said...

this scene from Arrested Development i think captures perfectly the position of nationalists in the present day:

Tobias:
You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised... a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed but free to explore extramarital encounters.

Lindsay:
Well, did it work for those people?

Tobias:
No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but... but it might work for us.

Bruce Charlton said...

@Laeth - People who perceive what is coming; are absolutely desperate for a *political* solution - something they can join, organize, recruit-for, vote-for; and are clutching at straws of many kinds.

They really don't want to think about their proposals - quite the opposite: instead they want an answer: to be optimistic, to be publicly vigorous, take "action", become a leader - or find somebody to follow and believe-in.

It is all very understandable, but spiritually counter-productive.

Laeth said...

oh yes, i think it's understandable. what is coming is very dark, unbelievably so, if one really stops to think about it. we have enough examples elsewhere of it already happening. and it is pretty much inevitable save for a miracle. but i'd rather believe in a miracle (an actual Godly intervention), even though i don't, than deluding myself about political solutions. i would say that is way more than spiritually counter productive. it's actually damning, because there IS something we must do, and focus on, and it is either or. at least, i believe it to be, because when i was focused on the political, i wasn't doing it.

Hagel said...

Nationalism is not mutually exclusive with philosophy or religion, and it's fine to be a nationalist, but if you expect good political results, you are going to be dissapointed

Bruce Charlton said...

@Hagel - We need more than one term - because "nationalism" is a modern political ideology; whereas something we might call "patriotism" was so normal and accepted as good in pre-modern societies, that they don't seem to have had a word for the concept.

What I find very striking is how common it is for English (and other British) people of the upper middle classes to be patriotic in their hearts, but to be (literally) *fanatically* pro-European Union - such that they regard positivity about the EU as a Litmus Test of basic morality.

Iceland is a more striking example. A nation built on patriotism and love of their language and culture - one big family... Joined the EU and embraced mass immigration and are well en route to national/ cultural (and de facto linguistic) annihilation, within one generation.

This is why I harp on so much about what is genuinely powerfully motivating - and what is not. Lifestyle beliefs - like "radical" politics, or modern Christianity - are spiritually-speaking (and to be blunt) "harmless but useless".