tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post2222673143233499018..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Contrasting Heaven with mortal life - strengths and weaknessesBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-90024430634187114672020-02-14T05:34:43.089+00:002020-02-14T05:34:43.089+00:00@Wm - So - you are claiming to have used "sca...@Wm - So - you are claiming to have used "scare quotes" in a grammatically appropriate manner... Well, that's a novelty. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-4335630349724864202020-02-14T03:21:47.704+00:002020-02-14T03:21:47.704+00:00Haha, good catch, Bruce, but I plead not guilty! T...Haha, good catch, Bruce, but I plead not guilty! The scare quotes were intended to indicate that I was using the term loosely, much as I might describe any believer in predestination as a scare-quote "Calvinist." As Andrew has pointed out, the metaphysical assumptions I was referring to are by no means exclusive to members of The Church With the Really Long Name That Must Never Ever Be Abbreviated.Wm Jas Tychonievichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07446790072877463982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-19896090966326483522020-02-13T17:58:54.621+00:002020-02-13T17:58:54.621+00:00@Wm - Just noticed the scare quotes around Mormon ...@Wm - Just noticed the scare quotes around Mormon - Now, now, don't be naughty; we'll not have any of that implied (Orwellian? Mangerialist? Cock-up?) nomenclature revisionism *here*! <br /><br />That's one advantage I have from being a Theoretical Mormon - I can stay a (sort of) *Mormon*.<br /><br />http://theoreticalmormon.blogspot.com/ <br /><br />Note: This comment is a bit of an in-joke for Wm and myself - don't worry if you don't get what I'm hinting at. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-6094414452015021212020-02-13T17:30:33.829+00:002020-02-13T17:30:33.829+00:00@Rt - That's my understanding of dreaming too ...@Rt - That's my understanding of dreaming too - or at least, one of its functions. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-18085123972058417242020-02-13T16:30:11.497+00:002020-02-13T16:30:11.497+00:00>In mortal life we are meant to have an experie...>In mortal life we are meant to have an experience, to learn its lessons; and then we are meant to have other experiences.<br /><br />Seems consistent with the idea that dreaming is a significant source of real experience (whether we remember it or not). Perhaps for experiences that are impossible to recreate otherwise, e.g. to revisit a past situation and decide or interpret things differently.Ron Tomlinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08610801524673227011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-89813747112250299892020-02-13T15:08:11.250+00:002020-02-13T15:08:11.250+00:00@Andrew - Interesting, I've never come across ...@Andrew - Interesting, I've never come across anyone but Mormons; but then I suppose I don't actually spend time exploring the kind of resources you mention. If the kind of protestants you mention have converged on it, given all the weight of hostile tradition concerning creation ex nihilo/ ensoulment at conception etc., that would count as a significant convergence. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-74981441843704984362020-02-13T14:51:28.655+00:002020-02-13T14:51:28.655+00:00I have come across numerous Christian pastors and ...I have come across numerous Christian pastors and teachers on Youtube, who I would describe as coming from a non-denominational background, who teach from the Bible and use the pre-mortal spirit/mortal incarnate/immortal incarnate template to explain God, Creation, Christ and Man. And they've often had personal Revelation to help explain passages in the Bible that lay out this template.<br /><br />-Andrew E.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15071413357901396149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-8407052090514516602020-02-13T11:01:18.640+00:002020-02-13T11:01:18.640+00:00@Wm - Yes, that's true. I was just thinking th...@Wm - Yes, that's true. I was just thinking this morning about how important the basic 'building blocks' of Mormon theology have been for me, in terms of making sense of things - and especially in understanding the reason for mortal life. For example the division into pre-mortal spirit/ mortal incarnate/ immortal incarnate - this (which is something I have not found anywhere else prior to Mormon theology) seems to explain everything that needs explaining - including that which many/ most religions have 'needed' to explain by reincarnation. <br /><br />'In a rational world' Mormon theology would be studied in all serious theological colleges and religious studies and philosophical departments, as an astonishingly original and fertile explanatory system or model - perhaps the single most original and radical metaphysical reformulation since... well, the Ancient Greeks, I suppose. <br /><br />But, of course, this is not 'a rational world' - and almost nobody is interested enough to bother finding out! <br /><br />(Plus, Mormons themselves are mostly not very interested!)Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-47586436871992107692020-02-13T09:20:45.124+00:002020-02-13T09:20:45.124+00:00Excellent analysis -- and one that only makes sens...Excellent analysis -- and one that only makes sense in the (broadly speaking) "Mormon" context of God working with spirits that were not created by him in the fullest sense but were "already there." If God had created us from nothing, he could have created us already-fit for heaven and skipped all this "learning" business.Wm Jas Tychonievichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07446790072877463982noreply@blogger.com