tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post5103100945882331908..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Geniuses are "vulnerable and fragile" and "need to be looked after" Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-76806769787369282012014-12-03T22:16:16.373+00:002014-12-03T22:16:16.373+00:00Remember that in the past a genius became only a g...Remember that in the past a genius became only a genius if he was born in an upper class or Jewish family.<br /><br />If he was born in lower or working class family, he was simply torn into pieces by his peers.Ironmistresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06980947020126620086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-75316518551357876262014-11-23T17:43:12.503+00:002014-11-23T17:43:12.503+00:00Less agreeable intellectual types these days get p...Less agreeable intellectual types these days get pathologized as ADHD or aspergey. I have also seen difficult intelligent types characterized as "unmanageable" in work situations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-43340567657273775492014-11-19T12:36:05.969+00:002014-11-19T12:36:05.969+00:00I'm guilty and I'm not to blame for that. ...I'm guilty and I'm not to blame for that. Believe me, in my native language, my vocabulary is much larger. Is that really, I'm not worried now study English. I do not have any desire for it. I am driven by the desire, I am natural and spontaneous, that to me is the manifestation of my God.<br /><br />I'll summarize what I tried to explain in another comment.<br /><br />There is not only iq performance,<br /><br />There are savants who do not have great cognitive gap, they are '' normal '' people with great specific ability and IQ tests can be completely miserable to measure this cognitive profile,<br /><br />Terman not evaluate geniuses. Lombroso and Galton yes.<br /><br />Three most important factors produce human creativity,<br /><br />will, novelty and manipulation of ''old creativity'', ''fossilized creativity'' or simply, ''intelligence''.Santocultonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-60936912015346799692014-11-19T12:05:14.367+00:002014-11-19T12:05:14.367+00:00@S - Thanks for the above. I could not print your ...@S - Thanks for the above. I could not print your other comment because, sadly, it was incomprehensible due to abundant language mistakes - sorry!Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-86899208840181205292014-11-19T11:52:36.931+00:002014-11-19T11:52:36.931+00:00It is noteworthy that 80% of autistic people do no...It is noteworthy that 80% of autistic people do not have a job.<br /><br />The West is imitating the steps of the East to promote neotenous or domesticated intelligence. I know many people who fit this pattern perfectly. The result is already known. The extinction of creativity. Or at least creativity significantly reduced.Santocultonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-84344181208213567092014-11-18T23:11:12.938+00:002014-11-18T23:11:12.938+00:00And, anyway, the comment wasn't about natural ...And, anyway, the comment wasn't about natural selection?Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-36751767626943159762014-11-18T23:10:21.972+00:002014-11-18T23:10:21.972+00:00Various people have calculated the reproductive su...<i>Various people have calculated the reproductive success of geniuses (eg those in Charles Murray's human Accomplishment) and they come out below replacement level</i><br /><br />Did they do that for just the artists, or was everybody lumped together?Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-9306157856629395602014-11-18T17:56:41.861+00:002014-11-18T17:56:41.861+00:00Being sensitive and genuine (honesty as necessary ...Being sensitive and genuine (honesty as necessary for discovering the truth), geniuses don't do well in a society where honesty is opposed, or a society where dishonesty and corruption is a prerequisite for "getting ahead" - a society where individualism trumps any tribal or group feelings and geniuses are simply seen a competitors for being smart, or enemies for being honest contra political correctness, or gullible fools to be exploited for trusting or assuming others are also honest-by-default. As such, we are absolutely and positvely anti-genius as a society.Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-51132800714081795372014-11-18T17:27:31.670+00:002014-11-18T17:27:31.670+00:00"It is only tyranny when the authority is ill..."It is only tyranny when the authority is illegitimate."<br /><br />Yes -- particularly when that includes 'moral authority' (e.g. Gandhi walking his talk). Alas, legitimate authority seems in short supply. Perhaps it always has been!William Zeitlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700471993844407817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-91485239924808083002014-11-18T16:26:28.419+00:002014-11-18T16:26:28.419+00:00@WZ - It is only tyranny when the authority is ill...@WZ - It is only tyranny when the authority is illegitimate.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-70500395823957460892014-11-18T16:23:47.345+00:002014-11-18T16:23:47.345+00:00@Th - Various people have calculated the reproduct...@Th - Various people have calculated the reproductive success of geniuses (eg those in Charles Murray's human Accomplishment) and they come out below replacement level - whereas they would need to be above average (and way above replacement levels) for simple natural selection to be an explanation. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-40741321586442151502014-11-18T16:08:30.106+00:002014-11-18T16:08:30.106+00:00I wonder about the asexual bit, at least as it app...I wonder about the asexual bit, at least as it applies to artistic geniuses. It seems to me that an awful lot of great artists (literary, visual or musical) pursued and got quite a bit of sex, though there were others who were celibate.Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13002311410445623799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-42631074351654740422014-11-18T16:03:01.216+00:002014-11-18T16:03:01.216+00:00"mob rule"... Yes, that is the Achilles ..."mob rule"... Yes, that is the Achilles Heel of democracy, isn't it? That a democracy is only as good as its voting pool? As the intelligence and morality of the voting pool declines, so must that of the 'representative' leaders they vote into office. And, mass media is 'democratic' as well, each viewer voting with their channel changer, so we see in mass media the same decline that we see in our political leadership. Is it really a choice between the tyranny of an individual (dictator/king) or the tyranny of the mob? Will we ever outgrow our obsession with coercion?William Zeitlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700471993844407817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-11733834777314939622014-11-18T15:31:10.542+00:002014-11-18T15:31:10.542+00:00@WZ - Yes, there is cultural resistance, but proba...@WZ - Yes, there is cultural resistance, but probably that was always the case. The difference was that in the past individuals could go against this; and some of these individuals has autonomous power. <br /><br />Now it is mob rule all the way up - and an individual can always be overruled by one mob or another - whether the anonymous peer review cartel, the mathematical result of a majority vote, the faceless hysteria of the mass media. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-43906900722100019892014-11-18T15:15:21.075+00:002014-11-18T15:15:21.075+00:00Oh very interesting - and very sad. Thank you for ...Oh very interesting - and very sad. Thank you for a mentally stimulating post - i am going to share it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-79934595633416381532014-11-18T14:51:02.453+00:002014-11-18T14:51:02.453+00:00Add to that a certain cultural resistance to '...Add to that a certain cultural resistance to 'genius'. That is, being so committed to 'egalitarianism' -- everybody is 'equal' -- we are frequently conflicted about supporting/protecting geniuses (which after all would be at the expense of resources that could be 'better' allocated to the low end of the bell curve). At the high school at which my wife teaches English, students graduating with honors are no longer permitted to wear the gold tassel on their caps that marks them as honor students -- because it 'hurts the feelings and lowers the self-esteem of students who were not honor students." Ha ha -- what if 'genius' were classified as a kind of disability? Then they'd get support out the gazoo!William Zeitlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700471993844407817noreply@blogger.com