tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post5807022679429449435..comments2024-03-28T00:17:55.823+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Secret Christians - The future of Christian churches in a totalitarian bureaucratic worldBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-12380167859429777062019-12-04T03:41:06.724+00:002019-12-04T03:41:06.724+00:00Interesting post. In my own faith, in the LDS Chur... Interesting post. In my own faith, in the LDS Church, there are certain indications in the scriptures that the prophet will never lead the church astray and that the church will continue to the second coming of Christ. It remains to be seen what the details which will bring that to pass will be.<br /> I was talking with an experienced member of the church a couple Sundays ago and he said something which meant to me: There is pressure from the world on the church, and sometimes the church has to do something about it. That's why we have a prophet, to make those inspired decisions.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08598434344351174026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-12739439966269684982019-12-04T01:21:18.500+00:002019-12-04T01:21:18.500+00:00Bruce, you are so right that I am going to transla...Bruce, you are so right that I am going to translate your post for my family.<br /><br />I feel really sad. I never was the best Christian. Even in the best of times, being Christian is really hard for me.<br /><br /> As a Catholic, the six years of this Pope have convinced me that we live in the End Times. I am not made of heroic stuff but a heroic age of persecution is coming, whether I want it or not. Unlike the persecution in Roman times, this time we will persecuted by outside amd inside the ChurchChenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058151766672325216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-13125520491919930542019-12-03T21:11:15.467+00:002019-12-03T21:11:15.467+00:00If there ever was the thinnest line of redemption ...If there ever was the thinnest line of redemption for the Catholic Church it may be its complete legal independence via its Corporation Sole. It will however need to address its corruption and internal demonic infiltration which includes the Pope.<br /><br />…The Holy See or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Holy Roman Catholic ChurchSpacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-92013742117731642542019-12-03T19:56:55.539+00:002019-12-03T19:56:55.539+00:00@Frank - What is interesting about the Roman Catho...@Frank - What is interesting about the Roman Catholic example is that the convergence of the church has happened without anything significant in the rules and regulations. 'On paper' hardly anything has changed (since Vatican II), but in practice, a great deal. <br /><br />It truns out that rules and regulations (and rights and protections - including national constitutions) only have a very temporary value when the ruling Establishment turn against them. The law is immoral and counter-productive (as already, increasingly, in the UK) unless the men who administer it are moral and just. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-73449045550476838972019-12-03T16:07:03.730+00:002019-12-03T16:07:03.730+00:00@WmJas - I think many features of Mormonism are in...@WmJas - I think many features of Mormonism are indeed well suited to being a secret church; but I would not have picked out the specific Masonic aspects - which seem too easy to detect, at least in the modern world. For example, dedicated Temples would be impossible, and specifically identifiable features - baptismal fonts, symbolic pictures and standard symbols - would be a give-away. But the principle of 'initiation', and also that nearly all men are priests, and that priesthood does not entail formal public qualifications; that family is the primary unit of organisation... these and other aspects make Mormonism well suited to survive covertly. There was also the (not that long ago) experience of the late 1800s at the ending of polygamy, when church assets were confiscated by the State, to use as a guide. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-90983385734998247862019-12-03T15:22:09.399+00:002019-12-03T15:22:09.399+00:00Perhaps this is part of the reason for the “Masoni...Perhaps this is part of the reason for the “Masonic” elements in Mormonism. The necessary apparatus for going underground and becoming a secret society is already in place should the need arise.Wm Jas Tychonievichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07446790072877463982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-23592549912702737842019-12-03T15:20:09.613+00:002019-12-03T15:20:09.613+00:00Coincidentally enough, I was thinking about this a...Coincidentally enough, I was thinking about this all day before I read this post. I happened to scan the 2019 General Election statement issued by Catholic bishops in the UK. I found the statement to be a discordant and somewhat bizarre blend of Christian and leftist concerns and virtues. <br /><br />I imagine it is only a matter of time before the Christian virtues disappear altogether and are forever eclipsed by leftist buzzwords focusing exclusively on things like climate change, human rights, and xenophobia. Francis Bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063224017320651978noreply@blogger.com