tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post6069813380503979474..comments2024-03-28T16:35:26.665+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Understanding the Final JudgementBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-87214193988115584202014-09-12T12:00:58.180+01:002014-09-12T12:00:58.180+01:002Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promi...2Pe 3:9<br />The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.John Kenney Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12659100839765268155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-58104169412663799952014-09-12T00:16:46.291+01:002014-09-12T00:16:46.291+01:00Bruce,
Well said. Here are a few verses from Mil...Bruce,<br /><br />Well said. Here are a few verses from Milton on the Last Judgement:<br /><br />Yet first to those ychained in sleep, <br />The wakeful trump of doom must thunder through the deep,… <br />The aged Earth, aghast<br /> With terror of that blast, <br />Shall from the surface to the centre shake, <br />When at the world's last session, <br />The dreadful Judge in middle air shall spread his throne.<br />And then at last our bliss <br />Full and perfect is…Leonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-72698590959800334672014-09-11T20:33:24.518+01:002014-09-11T20:33:24.518+01:00It's also very much non-modernist in that it p...It's also very much non-modernist in that it preserves the reality of judgment, not just as a metaphor.Adam G.http://www.jrganymede.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-62254715521785994972014-09-11T18:12:50.289+01:002014-09-11T18:12:50.289+01:00@George - thanks!
I know what you mean. On the f...@George - thanks! <br /><br />I know what you mean. On the face of it, it may sound that I am advocating a modernist liberal reinterpretation. But the way I think about it is that there are some apparent contradictions in traditional Christianity which had been going on for centuries - especially contradiction s between specific Biblical verses considered in isolation and the clear overall theme of the Gospels. As a 'theoretical Mormon' I see the necessity of Mormonism as having a lot to do with sorting-out these contradictions - a lot of what Joseph Smith did (and the prophets who followed to a lesser extent) was to take a line on these difficult cruxes; and by prophetic inspiration to declare that the apparent contradictions were due to errors, misunderstandings, corruption and apostasy etc. While this must have been shocking back in the 1830s and 40s, we can now see that Jospeh was not a modernist, liberal or apostate - because his religion has been - and still is - more solid than the most of the traditional Christian denominations. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-38502267222612470052014-09-11T15:59:38.075+01:002014-09-11T15:59:38.075+01:00I greatly appreciate you sharing this with us. I s...I greatly appreciate you sharing this with us. I still have some philosophical difficulty with asserting this understanding in favor of, or more-correct-than the traditional (Medieval?) understanding.<br /><br />This is a consequence of my belief that moderns are obviously wrong about most moral, theological, and philosophical questions - and so judging our predecessors as incorrect from any modern framework seems suspect (though I have no proofs).Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-48974624161181945792014-09-11T15:59:25.925+01:002014-09-11T15:59:25.925+01:00"Dog in the manger"--that is a phrase th..."Dog in the manger"--that is a phrase that has gone invisible in the modern world. I never knew about it until I started reading old books. Even then it took awhile to get it, since it was such a novel concept.<br /><br />I believe that the phrase has fallen out of use because it too accurately condemns much of the modern world. A lot of activism, for instance, is nothing but.Adam G.http://www.jrganymede.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-13113888662349211862014-09-11T15:56:54.171+01:002014-09-11T15:56:54.171+01:00Point taken.Point taken.Adam G.http://www.jrganymede.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-34861527270157662512014-09-11T11:21:42.548+01:002014-09-11T11:21:42.548+01:00@Adam. Thanks. And Indeed.
But IF the chosen-hel...@Adam. Thanks. And Indeed. <br /><br />But IF the chosen-hell-dweller insisted on hanging around, then exclusion may well become necessary. <br /><br />There are plenty of people I have encountered (including myself and most people at some time or another) who adopt a 'dog in the manger' attitude to life; in which their primary pleasure is the irritation or misery of others - or they delight in *inflicting* their own despair and pain. <br /><br />(Certainly, I have yielded to this evil temptation on many occasions - although I am not naturally or generally of that type.)<br /><br />So it would not surprise me if some people did want to stay proximate to their rejected family for that reason. Presumably, this is why Satan continues to inhabit the earth, and live among Men. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-2640942052234371042014-09-11T11:12:32.150+01:002014-09-11T11:12:32.150+01:00Hear, hear, hear. You've hit the nub.
One su...Hear, hear, hear. You've hit the nub.<br /><br />One suggestion:<br /><br />" however the father's angry and stern judgement may insist that the chosen hell in which the rejecting child dwells is segregated from the family"<br /><br />As Helaman suggests, it is more likely that the separation is voluntary, because continued life in the presence of God is too painful for the sinner maybe even lethal in a sense, or merciful on God's part for the same reasons.Adam G.http://www.jrganymede.comnoreply@blogger.com