tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post6169556431141638872..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: The testosterone and Human Growth Hormone supplementation culture: "It will have to be paid for... and trouble will come of it"Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-88234501084159062262019-04-15T16:54:47.884+01:002019-04-15T16:54:47.884+01:00@William - It was recognised from the early modern...@William - It was recognised from the early modern period (1500s-ish), and is explicit by the 17th century, that effeminacy is *sexually* attractive to some women. So this is about sex, not marriage; indeed sex as *opposed to* marriage. <br /><br />But I think that what we have now is 'Hollywood' masculinity, where Hollywood is taking the role of a women's peer group. Women are attracted to whatevcer they perceive the peer group of 'other women' finds attractive. <br /><br />This varies by society - eg hunters, chiefs, good singers or dancers in tribal times... nowadays the mass media says (inter alia) Hollywood leading men actors; who have a cartoon superhero torso and arms that can (with very few exceptions, mainly among the West African descended, and not among middle aged men) *only* be attained by use of drugs - especially HGH and a touch of insulin. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-34190686376112802352019-04-15T15:41:05.710+01:002019-04-15T15:41:05.710+01:00Well, dandyism was a thing long before the modern ...Well, dandyism was a thing long before the modern media and gayification. I'm currently reading the memoirs of Casanova, and he certainly cared about his looks. I guess the difference is that in the past no one thought of such concern a mark of masculinity.Wm Jas Tychonievichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07446790072877463982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-25354279314977172282019-04-14T21:20:07.986+01:002019-04-14T21:20:07.986+01:00Great post. The gym culture has always put me off....Great post. The gym culture has always put me off. Bodybuilding seems like an insane sport, but is encouraged and cherished among young men today. I don't think God intended for us to pump and eat ourselves as big as possible as fast as possible. How can we ever really appreciate food if we stuff ourselves full all the time? Bodybuilding seems to be designed to 'keep up' with the modern world and to 'look good' in it. Self worship and exhibitionism is what modern bodybuilding seems to advocate. But I don't think men become necessarily 'strong' or manly in gym factories, through fast-food muscle growth (which looks unnatural anyway). I tend to favor body exercises and stamina when training, to build up strength and endurance over time, rather than getting 'ripped for next summer', as if the body was a machine to be used? My training motto is 'pray for peace, prepare for war', rather than over-pushing my body 'keep up with the Joneses'. Being overly self conscious about looks is not a masculine thing.<br /><br />EricAdilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458942641355740167noreply@blogger.com