tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post6556691579286339391..comments2024-03-28T21:32:26.550+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Christian infiltration of the Alt-Right (Neoreaction) - my six years of effortBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-20131548510373224302016-11-29T09:05:37.292+00:002016-11-29T09:05:37.292+00:00@ajb. The main problem may be a total or relative...@ajb. The main problem may be a total or relative lack of like-minded people! My personal compromise is to lend some financial and practical support to a local evangelical church, and to support the CJCLDS through my writing, but I remain essentially an outsider.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-9389730881177928332016-11-29T00:55:11.513+00:002016-11-29T00:55:11.513+00:00"While there are some smaller corners and cel..."While there are some smaller corners and cells of Western Churches that are young, vigorous, patriarchal, and family-oriented; these are hard to find, and (rightly) exclusive and excluding with regard to membership - so not everybody can find a niche in any of the available alternatives. (I can't.)"<br /><br />It seems to me there are two main options. To join an existing church and then move it towards whatever one thinks ought to be in the church, or to start a new church with like-minded people. Either is probably fine and will make more or less sense depending on the circumstances.<br /><br />I view churches as similar to political parties, so do not expect any to be a perfect fit.ajbhttp://makingsenseofchristianity.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-92185173520232140272016-11-28T06:45:06.318+00:002016-11-28T06:45:06.318+00:00@Fred - I have made, and expanded, this argument m...@Fred - I have made, and expanded, this argument many times, in Thought Prison, Not Even Trying, in this blog and on other blogs - but without much effect. <br /><br />I therefore suspect that there are positive reasons for secular Right adherents wanting-NOT to become Christian; and I further suspect that these reasons are mostly sexual (since sex is, in the absence of religion, the most powerful motivator for most people). <br /><br />The Christian insistence that sex should be endorsed only within marriage is one the secular Right want *not* to be true. The significant overlap between the Alt-Right/ Neoreaction/ Dark Enlightenment on the one hand, and the Manosphere/ PUA movement (with all its pseudo-scientific nonsense about Alphas, Betas etc) on the other, is strong evidence of this interpretation. <br /><br />Since the sexual revolution (defined as the extension of approved sexual relationships beyond real marriage) has been the focus and main weapon of the New Left for the past few generations - this is another factor which confirms that the 'secular Right' is actually on the political Left. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-85280023967125236632016-11-28T00:38:30.241+00:002016-11-28T00:38:30.241+00:00You're on to something here alright. This is a...You're on to something here alright. This is a wonderful piece that ought to be expanded upon. Thank you.<br /><br />"The error is that Christianity (or The Reformation) is blamed for Leftism (as in the 'Leftism is a Christian Heresy' meme)."<br /><br />I have heard this exact argument from some in the AltRight and some in the new left alike. Your short answer, this blog post, is excellent.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-29618750849737305802016-11-27T19:48:50.049+00:002016-11-27T19:48:50.049+00:00This suggestion aligns with my own experience. You...This suggestion aligns with my own experience. Your observation regarding the small corners and cells of Western Churches is accurate. One of those for me and my family has been the SSPX. You are correct that such communities aren't always the most accessible or welcoming. But I didn't find my way there without first without first recognizing the truth that is the orthodox Christian faith. The identity, faith and understanding came before I'd even discovered such a community. And that identity and faith has persisted even after finding myself away from that smaller cell of the Western Church due to geography. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-41524980190473705972016-11-27T18:34:59.511+00:002016-11-27T18:34:59.511+00:00I grew up in a secular leftist church and it was a...I grew up in a secular leftist church and it was a stumbling block for me. I have notes in my childhood Bible questioning why the church contradicted clear teachings on sexuality (from the early 90's). Sunday school's answer was that the Bible-was-old and we couldn't necessarily trust it.<br /><br />Church service too was basically one of those 90's ads asking for money for third world countries. <br /><br />Leftist authorities undermine their own power by questioning and destroying their inheritance. This leaves open the opportunity for conservatives, who perhaps tend to submit to authority, to "grow up" and reclaim our spiritual heritage for ourselves.Nathanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04531664498277638757noreply@blogger.com