tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post8875880124455324259..comments2024-03-19T04:32:18.795+00:00Comments on Bruce Charlton's Notions: Why an elected Christian monarch is impossible; why good government of Western nations is impossibleBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-71243533833194194092016-05-03T05:29:16.415+01:002016-05-03T05:29:16.415+01:00@Chent - Thank you. @Chent - Thank you. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-68928037097584799212016-05-03T00:08:53.758+01:002016-05-03T00:08:53.758+01:00I understand. And I apologize for asking. I though...I understand. And I apologize for asking. I thought a comparison from you would be insightful. But I fully understandChenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058151766672325216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-76892534333440753032016-05-02T23:54:54.501+01:002016-05-02T23:54:54.501+01:00I could imagine that happy eventuality in, say, Hu...I could imagine that happy eventuality in, say, Hungary, Poland, maybe even Russia; but not in the EU(even though Poland, Hungary are in the EU),<br />Canada, or the US.Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-10080387417725377892016-05-02T19:01:18.169+01:002016-05-02T19:01:18.169+01:00There could be a leader who leads his people to Ch...There could be a leader who leads his people to Christianity. Many countries had that first monarch who decided to be a Christian. While the west is scattered now and the elites are squeezing the middle from both ends the elites are also creating new peoples. People are waking up and realizing that they have been lied to. <br /><br />There are real nations. Real peoples with real histories. The harder the transnationals and multiculturals push the more obvious their lies become. We are not a Christian nation but we are not a post-Christian nation yet. We are transitioning. <br /><br />It would take one man to lead the way. Can you imagine the response if one leader stepped up and was publicly baptized? Who said, "Follow me."Donnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-69023925386178933412016-05-02T18:07:01.959+01:002016-05-02T18:07:01.959+01:00@Don - I know what you mean - but a Christian King...@Don - I know what you mean - but a Christian King *must* have a Christian people. Christianity can't be imposed top-down without ceasing to be itself. But if/ when he has a people, the king can/ will come. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-49898694820569057342016-05-02T16:46:20.245+01:002016-05-02T16:46:20.245+01:00A good Queen would still be, in a sense, still a p...A good Queen would still be, in a sense, still a patriarchy as she would be the professed and humble servant of God the Father and Jesus Christ as Lord. A good mother can well rule her sons even if the father has passed on.<br /><br />Arguing whether or a bad man or a bad female would be able to make the worst sort of ruler seems pointless!<br /><br />As God does not force Himself on an unwilling people, but instead waits for us to repent and ask His aid, a good King cannot well rule a bad people (e.g. the example of what happened to our Saviour himself).Nathanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04531664498277638757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-40935408896780264102016-05-02T16:31:05.450+01:002016-05-02T16:31:05.450+01:00I am waiting for that Christian monarch and I know...I am waiting for that Christian monarch and I know that he will someday return. There is a good king sleeping. The West knows that a monarch is coming. Maybe that is the collective unconscious feeling the return of our true king or maybe it is the good Christian ruler that will save us from ourselves and our enemies in this world.<br /><br />It is curious that the imagery of the sleeping king is in many western nations.Donnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-62552282464220525702016-05-02T16:09:03.408+01:002016-05-02T16:09:03.408+01:00@Chent - Sorry, that isn't something I am prep...@Chent - Sorry, that isn't something I am prepared to discuss in the public domain. But my views on Christianity constitute about 50% of this blog.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-32938198152585254372016-05-02T13:35:05.173+01:002016-05-02T13:35:05.173+01:00@John R - John Knox as an authority? - I don't...@John R - John Knox as an authority? - I don't think so... But it is manifestly false. A king should be the norm, but there is more than one example of an exceptional but effective/ good Queen to refute the proposition. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-79051233579707301932016-05-02T13:28:45.637+01:002016-05-02T13:28:45.637+01:00COMMENT FROM LEO - "Consider CW's novels ...COMMENT FROM LEO - "Consider CW's novels The Shadows of Ecstasy and All Hallows Eve. Both suppose the possible rise of a religious and political leader who is neither Christian nor [the other major monotheism], but who is charismatic. Both fail in the end."<br /><br />Indeed - a dictator, in modern terminology - and also an evil dictator whose primary motivation is exploitation and destruction. I don't think these polities last more than about a generation or maybe two: at the least they must ally with a strong state religion. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-40831507606310750492016-05-02T11:04:34.925+01:002016-05-02T11:04:34.925+01:00A Christian monarch is definitely a He. And is not...A Christian monarch is definitely a He. And is not a she. <br />http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/firblast.htm<br /><br />Never is such a monarch legitimate.John Rockwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746216376164151386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-25111363044532945912016-05-02T10:57:17.808+01:002016-05-02T10:57:17.808+01:00@JF - You are right - and this is what lends the d...@JF - You are right - and this is what lends the dominant Secular Left its continued aggression and zeal, because this is what they so much fear. Indeed, the greater their success, the more brittle it becomes. Things could change very rapidly indeed, like wildfire. <br /><br />HOWEVER, the things could change in the direction NOT of Christianity but of the other major monotheism - indeed, on the whole, that is currently more likely in my view - it being 'the religion of the future' and therefore with expediency on its side. It also has an obvious and credible appeal to young men perhaps especially those of currently low status and poor prospects. (Mainstream Christianity - and by diffusion the real CHristians to, to a much lesser extent - has a great inertial disadvantage of two-plus generations of increasing anti-Men prejudice/ affirmative action to overcome.) <br /><br />After all the other major monotheism is clearer, simpler and contains much of what is in Christianity - including what is good; and is clearly a proven formidable rival with a resilient cellular structure. Meanwhile the real Christian denominations seem, on the whole, to be negating each other. And most of the stronger mainstream real Christian churches are, on the whole, rejecting of attempts to deal with the brittle, unconvincing and repellant literalism, materialism and positivism of their faith... <br /><br />So I remain hopeful but not optimistic. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4683970826895755480.post-44138911163903746882016-05-02T10:02:07.336+01:002016-05-02T10:02:07.336+01:00It may sound outlandish, but I think Europe (or pa...It may sound outlandish, but I think Europe (or part of it at least) could be ruled again by a monarch within ten years. Such a figure may even be waiting in the wings. For this to happen though, there would have to be a political, economic, military or natural calamity of such magnitude that it would shock people awake - back to faith and back to a proper understanding of the relationship between what St. Augustine called the 'Two Cities' - the City of God and The City of Man.<br /><br />It doesn't map on exactly, but I wonder if something roughly analogous happens in The Return of the King. The Dark Tower falls, Faramir feels a new freshness in the air, Elessar is crowned, the natural order is restored and a new Golden Age is inaugurated.John Fitzgeraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13951246561259007162noreply@blogger.com