@d - It's an interesting question - because the most crooked scientists are the most Conscientious.
Successful scientists nowadays are nearly all crooks, and they are nearly all hard-working, reliable and sociable.
Whereas in the past, when scientists were an amazing mixture of high-P eccentrics, they were nearly all dead straight: *when it came to science*.
Why? Two factors, perhaps - in the past you only did science if you were truly interested in it: it wasn't really a career. And high Psychoticism types only work hard on something if they are internally-motivated to do so - when they are genuinely interested by it.
This combination means that if they cheated or were dishonest, they would be cheating and lying to themselves about that which they care most about, and without much reward for doing so.
I think that creativity needs to be about selfishness and introversion and hard working people are usually eager to be accepted by their social environment. The creative geniuses, due to his huge ego and a unique personality and unyielding, unwilling to be inserted into the puzzle of the system, but reinvent it if you have the chance. In this case, another common trait of creative geniuses would stubbornness, but not exactly in the pejorative sense. Creative geniuses, unlike the geniuses-iq (hard working) in easy reach amalgam of issues and from that aims to work them in an original way. I've thought about the possibility that the fact that the majority of people with very high creativity not having very high intelligence, makes this alleged lack compensate through intense divergent thinking, which unlike high IQS seeks not develop a strong network explanations for the subjects of special interest, but seek to reach exactly the most important points of each point, ignoring the subsequent details (like the branches of a tree), focusing on its roots and create something new from it.
@G - "I've thought about the possibility that the fact that the majority of people with very high creativity not having very high intelligence, makes this alleged lack compensate through intense divergent thinking, which unlike high IQS seeks not develop a strong network explanations for the subjects of special interest, but seek to reach exactly the most important points of each point, ignoring the subsequent details (like the branches of a tree), focusing on its roots and create something new from it. "
Would you like to comment further on this? It sounds interesting, but your slightly-defective English language makes it hard for me to understand.
''Would you like to comment further on this? It sounds interesting, but your slightly-defective English language makes it hard for me to understand.''
Excuse me, is that I really have no desire to learn the language perfectly, so I use the google translator. I'm so, I present a kind of intellectual style autistic obsession, when I get obsessed with something, nothing else matters. What you failed to understand? I said that the creative geniuses (and people who are close to them in terms of spectrum) tend to focus their attention on what really matters to them, discarding the rest. Often, they focus on the main trunk of a subject and seeks ways to innovate it. Highly intelligent people (the alleged geniuses high iq) do increase the tree branches. The geniuses change the structure of the tree. Nature is wise, she took one hand but takes places in another. An extremely creative person can not be extremely iq-smart (as according to the ideas of Nancy Andreasen and other researchers). As'' compensation'' by lower general intelligence (than genius high iq), the most creative focus on what really matters, ignoring the details thereafter. The typical teacher college strives to specialize in one of the branches of any one subject. Sometimes also specializes in the trunk of the subject, but as a way to better replicate it for their students. Already the creative genius, according with the idea of egocentricity and higher psychoticism, tends to consider only their ideas. In another comment I sent to this blog as anonymous, I said that the creative process is because the most creative people tend to be more cerebrally energetic than their counterparts. He also said that the most creative use more right brain (as seems to have been proven) and that their memory tends to be episodic. (and not semantic). Precisely, the creative genius has a lower capacity to store information in comparison with the high IQ genius, but on the other hand, he holds the key, and for some reason you ride the puzzle almost instinctively, because their brain activity is very large . When you use the more your brain tends to always keep your ideas fresh. When most think about them more keeps spinning inside his head. Consider two types of brain structures in one, there are folders filed alphabetically large folders (genius high iq) while the creative geniuses have a lot of folders thrown on the ground. Creativity sometimes could be randomness studied. The creative genius is also the genius idle, because your mind keeps almost like a slave, always dependent on their whims. He can not control, because as we know, creativity is something inherited. I think it may be.
How much overlap might we expect between scientifically creative and the scientifically crooked?
ReplyDelete@d - It's an interesting question - because the most crooked scientists are the most Conscientious.
ReplyDeleteSuccessful scientists nowadays are nearly all crooks, and they are nearly all hard-working, reliable and sociable.
Whereas in the past, when scientists were an amazing mixture of high-P eccentrics, they were nearly all dead straight: *when it came to science*.
Why? Two factors, perhaps - in the past you only did science if you were truly interested in it: it wasn't really a career. And high Psychoticism types only work hard on something if they are internally-motivated to do so - when they are genuinely interested by it.
This combination means that if they cheated or were dishonest, they would be cheating and lying to themselves about that which they care most about, and without much reward for doing so.
I think that creativity needs to be about selfishness and introversion and hard working people are usually eager to be accepted by their social environment. The creative geniuses, due to his huge ego and a unique personality and unyielding, unwilling to be inserted into the puzzle of the system, but reinvent it if you have the chance.
ReplyDeleteIn this case, another common trait of creative geniuses would stubbornness, but not exactly in the pejorative sense. Creative geniuses, unlike the geniuses-iq (hard working) in easy reach amalgam of issues and from that aims to work them in an original way.
I've thought about the possibility that the fact that the majority of people with very high creativity not having very high intelligence, makes this alleged lack compensate through intense divergent thinking, which unlike high IQS seeks not develop a strong network explanations for the subjects of special interest, but seek to reach exactly the most important points of each point, ignoring the subsequent details (like the branches of a tree), focusing on its roots and create something new from it.
@G - "I've thought about the possibility that the fact that the majority of people with very high creativity not having very high intelligence, makes this alleged lack compensate through intense divergent thinking, which unlike high IQS seeks not develop a strong network explanations for the subjects of special interest, but seek to reach exactly the most important points of each point, ignoring the subsequent details (like the branches of a tree), focusing on its roots and create something new from it. "
ReplyDeleteWould you like to comment further on this? It sounds interesting, but your slightly-defective English language makes it hard for me to understand.
''Would you like to comment further on this? It sounds interesting, but your slightly-defective English language makes it hard for me to understand.''
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, is that I really have no desire to learn the language perfectly, so I use the google translator. I'm so, I present a kind of intellectual style autistic obsession, when I get obsessed with something, nothing else matters.
What you failed to understand?
I said that the creative geniuses (and people who are close to them in terms of spectrum) tend to focus their attention on what really matters to them, discarding the rest. Often, they focus on the main trunk of a subject and seeks ways to innovate it.
Highly intelligent people (the alleged geniuses high iq) do increase the tree branches. The geniuses change the structure of the tree.
Nature is wise, she took one hand but takes places in another. An extremely creative person can not be extremely iq-smart (as according to the ideas of Nancy Andreasen and other researchers). As'' compensation'' by lower general intelligence (than genius high iq), the most creative focus on what really matters, ignoring the details thereafter.
The typical teacher college strives to specialize in one of the branches of any one subject. Sometimes also specializes in the trunk of the subject, but as a way to better replicate it for their students.
Already the creative genius, according with the idea of egocentricity and higher psychoticism, tends to consider only their ideas.
In another comment I sent to this blog as anonymous, I said that the creative process is because the most creative people tend to be more cerebrally energetic than their counterparts.
He also said that the most creative use more right brain (as seems to have been proven) and that their memory tends to be episodic. (and not semantic).
Precisely, the creative genius has a lower capacity to store information in comparison with the high IQ genius, but on the other hand, he holds the key, and for some reason you ride the puzzle almost instinctively, because their brain activity is very large .
When you use the more your brain tends to always keep your ideas fresh. When most think about them more keeps spinning inside his head.
Consider two types of brain structures in one, there are folders filed alphabetically large folders (genius high iq) while the creative geniuses have a lot of folders thrown on the ground. Creativity sometimes could be randomness studied.
The creative genius is also the genius idle, because your mind keeps almost like a slave, always dependent on their whims. He can not control, because as we know, creativity is something inherited.
I think it may be.