Thursday, 18 September 2025

In theology, it impresses me to find evidence of active thinking - rather than defensive parroting

Its a sad, but inevitable, fact that almost all of Christian theology - is merely defensive parroting

Which is to say that the discourse is just people expounding arguments and evidences they have learned from sources approved by the church to which they have chosen to affiliate. 

It is awareness of this parroting quality (on one or both sides) that may produce that sense of frustration at lack of engagement, of unseriousness, of insincerity - or even cowardice; which has been so off-putting to so many modern people who are considering becoming Christians, or who are expressing genuine (not merely expedient) doubts about aspects of their church or Christianity generally.


I suppose there must have been some people who were actively thinking about Jesus Christ and Christianity at some point in history! Indeed, I suppose that the letters of Paul are evidence of this kind of grappling. 

But there has been in Christianity, and very early, and for most (not all) of subsequent history - probably as in most other religions - a strong tendency to draw a line under this thinking for oneself - and a switch to stating (dogmatically) that this primary engagement has been done, the results are in - and the answers are as follows...

From which point the idea is that good Christians need to understand and believe, to learn and rehearse, and to parrot. 

At which point there is no point in talking to them! Arguments are futile! Debate is simulated!


Unless - that is - you are merely curious about such people; or if your goal is to become like them, and be guided in all your fundamental life understandings, motivations and choices - by an institution. Which is, evidently, still a popular aspiration - although almost-never actually achieved.   

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Further Note: I have often myself engaged in this defensive parroting! So I know it by inner experience. 

For instance, in medicine, doctors explanations are of this kind, because the doctor has never himself been through the background to medical facts and claims, but is merely repeating what he has been taught or otherwise learned. 

And, of course, most enquiries and dissenting directed at doctors is (almost inevitably) itself shallow and ignorant, or selfish or manipulative... and is not motivated by a genuine desire for discovering truth. 

But Not Always! And then it is maddening to have one's one direct enjoyment met with parroting merely!

At other times, after becoming a Christian, I sometimes found myself in the same situation. I accepted the truth of some external claim - but did not really know it for myself or from primary experience - and indeed such experience tended to refute the external claim, but I deferred to authority on the basis that cleverer and better informed people than myself had been deemed to have sorted-this-out long ago. 


It was really when I - almost against my will - was nigh-compelled to dig deeper and deeper towards the most fundamental aspects of Christianity; that I began to find it ever more obvious that this would Not be how God would set-things-up! 

I mean; I began to feel clear and sure that God would Not create us and the world; such that we were supposed to pick some particular social institution (a church), then adopt an attitude of obedient service and trusting credulity to that institution. 

That would be an absurdly unreliable, fragile, contingent way to plan a system for the salvation of Mankind!  

At around this point, I began to notice when I was parroting about Christianity, and to dislike myself for doing it; and instead felt a necessity to discover the truths by my own thinking and spiritual experience.

And to regard such personal engagement as the bottom line for my understanding of reality - rather than regarding Christian faith as deference-to and parroting-of any particular external source. 

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Another Note: Why has it become necessary (at least, I would say so) for us actively to think about theology; when in the past it seemed to be not just adequate but often desirable to parrot good authorities? 

My short answer is that we Now live in a totalitarian atheist-materialist world, where all institutions (including all churches) are part of a multi-linked-bureaucratic system that is intrinsically evil: by which I mean intrinsically in-opposition-to God, divine creation and salvation. This was Not the case in the past; and churches were (at least, in some times and places) overall in-harmony-with The Good; such that obedience to the church was sufficient - and probably the safest path.

(Furthermore, In the past nearly-all Men were communal, and substantially lived in a group-consciousness; such that individual and agentic thinking was rare and difficult; whereas now it is the spontaneous default - and indeed difficult to escape, even when we desire to immerse in a shared consciousness.)   


5 comments:

Maolsheachlann said...

"I mean; I began to feel clear and sure that God would Not create us and the world; such that we were supposed to pick some particular social institution (a church), then adopt an attitude of obedient service and trusting credulity to that institution."

And I feel clear and sure that God would do that!

Bruce Charlton said...

@M - That's fine if you really do know this from deeply addressing such a question and have a faith strong enough to motivate in face of the challenges that will surely be coming.

The trouble is that for all the many people who claim to know that God would organize salvation via intermediaries who ask for obedient service - most have already revealed (apparently) that they believe more fundamentally in whatever the totalitarian Establishment is saying at any time.

These are the people who eagerly closed the churches and stopped the sacraments in early 2020 - those who believed in a lethal global plague but closed Lourdes - and so on.

It seems "undeniable" (except anything can and shall be denied!) that Most people who affect to believe in salvation by church, actually don't - or not so as to make any apparent difference.

There are bound to be exceptions, and you may be one - but most of the exceptions I have encountered are simply in denial of what has actually happened in 2020 and afterwards (for instance) - they simply prefer not to think about it, or what it means.

Maolsheachlann said...

I'm not happy with the closure of the churches during Covid, or with Pope Francis's stance on the vaccine, and I'm not happy with the Church's timidity (at best) towards much of the woke/liberal agenda. But these are passing things. I rest my faith on settled doctrine repeated over centuries.

Bruce Charlton said...

@M - From my perspective, the important thing is to know church behaviour in 2020 was wrong, and to repent it. (This is what matters spiritually, not public action or defiance.)

The implications of this candid self-admission are less entailed - but that an individual can recognize and acknowledge wrong-doing when the authorities do not admit it, means that individual is using his personal discernment to evaluate official Magisterial teaching.

This is good and necessary (IMO), but it does mean that such a person is not obeying the church in the way that would have been normal (and necessary) not-many generations ago.

All church Christians must and do use personal discernment, both fundamentally and frequently - and are therefore (admit it or not) what I call Romantic Christian - but plenty deny that this is in fact what they are doing.

And the problem of such dishonesty (or lack of self-awareness) is that it prevents active, direct, personal engagement with the vital Christian fundamentals - in the way I admire (and advocate as necessary).

Francis Berger said...

"From which point the idea is that good Christians need to understand and believe, to learn and rehearse, and to parrot."

I suppose this stems from the belief that Christianity is a completed and fulfilled religion, to which nothing essentially meaningful can be added, particularly within the realm of active thinking. As you note, all the heavy lifting has been done. We are not even permitted to stand on the shoulders giants, so to speak.

I also suppose such an understanding makes sense within the framework of traditional/metaphysical assumptions about God and the nature of reality.

However, it begins to make less sense when one considers that such a theological approach basically renders the individual and active thinking nugatory, as you noted in your recent post about metaphysical personal insignificance.

That never sat well with me. If the individual can add nothing to creation or to Christianity as a religion, then Christianity is no different from the other big Abrahamic religion that values submission above all else.

The Grand Inquisitor accused Jesus overvaluing freedom and expecting too much of individual men, which was why the Church was needed. Conventional theology seems to agree with that notion.