How can one even begin to articulate the sheer grandiose mass delusionality of 'world leaders' debating whether they will 'allow' the global temperature to rise by 1.5 or 2.0 degrees!
The plain fact is that there is zero evidence that anybody can predict future climate - indeed the Climate Scientists have not even tried (instead they have focused 100 percent on 'predicting' past climate changes - and do an appalling job even of that - as is inevitable when they are not truthful, and not even trying to be truthful).
But as for the idea of controlling future climate to within 0.5 degrees Celcius... Well, this beggars belief.
Either they truly are insane, or are stupid to a degree unequalled in history, or they are pursuing an entirely different agenda and merely using global warming talk/ legislation as an excuse for doing something/s else.
I personally think there is a mixture or all these factors - but that the unrelenting, delusional, evidence-resistant focus on this particular topic for more than a generation (in a world where the news headlines change by the hour, and nearly everything goes down the memory hole; and no managers stick to anything for very long but are blown about like weather vanes) means there is a very strong strategic thrust behind the CO2/ climate agenda.
In a nutshell, I infer that the Global Warming insanity is a vital part of the New Leftist agenda (perhaps the major plank in addition to the sexual revolution) - and that Satan must (ultimately) be behind it: because it seems necessary to posit immortal purposive evil as the explanation for how many of the butterfly-minds and woodentop-heads of world politics have all been kept pointed for so long in the same direction; and marshalled in pursuit of policies bespoke-tailored for rationalizing totalitarian self-destruction of The West.
http://thronealtarliberty.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/climate-change-or-control.html
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I think there are a number of factors behind this. For many people, particularly on the left, focusing on global warming is a distraction from a lot of the other existential threats the West faces. These include things such as deteriorating economic circumstances and unsustainable government spending, loss of cultural identity and confidence, aging populations, large-scale immigration from culturally unassimilable populations, declining civic institutions and social trust, family breakdown etc. etc. Psychologists call this displacement. If you cannot deal with real threats or problems, you invent a phony threat or problem; this allows you to then avoid or sideline the real problems you cannot deal with.
The mass media promote this stuff partly because it is a way of keeping the masses distracted from the real problems and nefarious agendas of the powers that be. It is the old 'baffle them with BS' syndrome.
There is also no doubt a broader agenda of the left to restrict economic activity by controlling a by-product of all economic activity. It may well be a Trojan horse for some kind of world government. Or it may be used to usher in a more communist type of top-down control and economic rationing.
I have no doubt that there is a very sinister agenda behind it all in any event.
"How can one even begin to articulate the sheer grandiose mass delusionality of 'world leaders' debating whether they will 'allow' the global temperature to rise by 1.5 or 2.0 degrees!"
Well the scientists may not be able to predict the future Bruce but your post is prescient of my thinking yesterday afternoon as I listened to my car radio discussing this exact topic. I have been vaguely following the debate from afar but it seems so hermetically sealed to reason that it tends to induce in me an uncomfortable feeling of quasi-despair for humanity and then I switch off the radio and drive in silence.
Climate Change is accepted with the zeal of religious belief, as are transhumanist agendas and the sexual revolution, by the modern politically correct Leftist Zeitgeist. Whenever I have even casually questioned the potential validity of the assumed underlying anthropogenic causes of Climate Change in discussion with work colleagues, I have been dismissed as a 'McCarthyist.' After all when the major channels of power: the 'expert' scientists, the politicians, even the president of the USA Barrack Obama himself, publically denounced climate change skeptics as behind the times and in need of a reality check (the president advocating an immediate dismissal of such persons from the discussion) then obligingly the masses follow suite and believe whatever they are compelled to believe by their leaders. But somehow, they are 'free thinkers' and we are 'conspiracy theorists' with some sort of radical agenda for challenging the advance of 'progress.' If the anti-climate-change opinion also originates from someone with Religious convictions then this is a signal to the rest of the group that their opinion about the climate change debate is even less valid as they are apparently also, de facto, incapable of understanding scientific arguements because of their Religious delusions. In the end, there is no point in saying anything at all to these people about the arguement: Socratic questioning doesn't work, such is the inflexible dogma of the Climate Change rhetoric.
I could go on but as a final thought on the matter. I found myself wondering: How is it that president Obama can appear on international media countless times in recent years lamenting another man - made massacre due to the lunacy of American gun laws and this parochial issue is totally insoluble in the face of the power of the American government, but, he still thinks and so does his government, our own and many others, vast amounts of the civilian population, think we can change the world's climate to a precise amount of degrees; even though far *smaller* problems such as repeated gun crime is totally beyond their capabilities to control...that is assuming they actually want to stop gun crime...which presumably they don't *really* want to do this otherwise it would have happened already. And yet these aspects of reality are compartmentalised somehow and people still retain faith their leaders can control the temperature of the planet even though they can't stop their citizens massacring each other as an extension of the constitutionally reinforced right to 'bear arms'
But why? What does Satan get out of it? The sexual revolution obviously furthers evil in a very clear and direct way, but I can't see how the global warming scare does so. If air pollution is regulated a bit more strictly than is necessary, is that such a bad thing? Certainly it's hard to see it as a great triumph of evil on the same scale as the sexual revolution.
@WmJas - "But why? What does Satan get out of it? "
That is what it would be useful to work out. Probably it is a major part of the attack on The West, which is an indirect attack on Christendom (its remnants, and potential for re-growth).
But I think the indications are increasingly strong that it is true: just look at the people, and the kind of people, who are pushing, and pushing, this agenda - look at their dishonesty, hatred, pride... their means as much as their ends.
@Mis - What I find striking is that this has been headline stuff and a major priority for so long - how many other issues have had this sustained top-level durability, this fireproof quality?
There are innumerable possible displacement activities - indeed, the more the better; so there must be *something* very specific about this particular agenda item, something which make this the ideal or best issue in terms of what *they* want to do.
@ Bruce/misanthropist:
"It may well be a Trojan horse for some kind of world government. Or it may be used to usher in a more communist type of top-down control and economic rationing."
Surely this is a good candidate as an explanation. The coercion of power through a seemingly benign channel that once fully operationalised it will have effectively created the thinly veiled totalitarian structure for world domination by 1st a phase of republic/democracy which, by nature us inherently unstable and can make way for a tyrannical anti-christ leader. The history of the Roman Empire recapitulated but on a Global scale? If you think about it we are only a few chess moves away. If Rome is burning (the Climate is in meltdown and a 'saviour' is needed) who better than a multi - billionaire transhumanist eco-warrior to step into the role of world leader? Pehaps Far-fetched but increasingly easy to imagine. Someone with a CV like this would be perfect for example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoltan_Istvan
He wants to end death and ageing with science and technology, maybe he can convince everyone he can control the temperature of the planet too. It boggles the imagination to even begin thinking about the possibilities of where this could go.
I find the climate change argument "Not Proven" one way or the other, but I would not hesitate to say that Satan would use climate change, as he would use any issue to cause humanity to lose faith in Christianity.
If climate change is man made and, for the sake of argument, was proved tomorrow morning to the satisfaction of even the most sceptical person in the oil industry, Satan would use that knowledge to sow a self-flagellating despair for the future. If man made climate change were to be disproved tomorrow morning to the satisfaction of even the most devout climate change warrior, then Satan would spread the word that the brakes are off and oil based energy could legitimately be used to fuel a consumerist nightmare, making current levels of consumerism look like the offerings of a Victorian workhouse.
Satan uses empty despair and greedy excess equally well.
The mass media loves a bad news story, in fact, unless it is bad news, it is not really news. That is why the man-made climate change narrative appeals. It is the "We're doomed" thinking of Fraser (Dad's Army) and Eeyore:
"It's snowing still," said Eeyore gloomily.
"So it is."
"And freezing."
"Is it?"
"Yes," said Eeyore. "However," he said, brightening up a little, "we haven't had an earthquake lately."
The Japanese earthquake/tsunami - how Eeyore and Fraser would have loved that, just as the media did. Reveling in despair - now THAT is satanic.
I think a lot of people hear 'computer models predict' and think that, therefore, what they predict must be true. Computers to some people seem almost magical, because they don't understand how they work.
Most people don't
a) understand how they are only as good as the mathematical relations and data put into them - these have to be relevantly complete and accurate, and in order for us to know this they have to have been robustly tested within the relevant domain (which is extremely difficult to do with something like the climatic changes in question), and
b) they don't know that the computer models being relied upon for alarmist predictions *haven't been accurate in predicting what has been observed* (as Bruce notes), which is different from being 'updated' after the fact to make retrodictions - something that's relatively easy to do with a computer model (give me enough variables and I can plot almost any line within a certain margin of error).
Human psychology is human psychology - getting rid of Christianity or theism isn't going to get rid of the basic human impulses towards group think, ostracization, people wanting to think it's the end of the world, and so on.
Historically, these sorts of things might be most obvious within a 'religious' framework, but that's just because those religions were dominant social forces. Take away Christianity, and something else will take its place that has similar features - much atheistic criticism of negative aspects of religion is actually just criticism of basic human psychology - warranted, but they don't understand that historical aspects of certain religions aren't the cause, they're an effect.
I think it is planned as a blanket justification for any course of action the globalist left decides on. If it "threatens the existence of the planet", than literally anything is justified to stop it. Other than the ones you listed, it could also be used to justify invading a sovereign nation that was unwilling to yield on other issues.
@Geraint - I don't think it correct to say 'not proven' (a Scottish legal verdict!) - the situation is that there is no evidence that anybody knows anything at all about predicting future climate.
The case for global warming would never even get to a court - the Procurator Fiscal would not bring it - there is no case to answer!
(And even in retrospect, the cause of ice ages, and the reason for their cessation, remains unknown.)
Climate projections don't even begin to have any credibility. They are 100 percent conjecture and zero percent evidence.
The main, the overwhelming, fact about global climate is that it is *driven* by the sun - by the activity of the sun. The first thing we would *need* to know is the determinants of overall solar activity/ output over the medium term (of decades). Then we would need to check the predictions against what actually happens - clearly the predictions would need to be very precise for this to be possible over the medium term.
Unless we make precise predictions, and then wait and make honest measurements to see if they come true - then we do not know that we know. It is as simple as that.
I'd say that environmentalism serves to give a sense of righteousness to people whose primary motivation is hatred and envy. Climate alarmism is just the most sophisticated form of environmentalism as it provides justification to hate and envy anyone.
The actual policies implemented in the name of fighting Climate change are directed against the family (or what's left of it) and its (economic) independence in the form of an own home, cars etc.
It's a "win, win" for evil
Globalist government, justification for mass abortions, sterilizations, euthanasia, any deviant sexual behavior, mass deaths to "save the planet", envy and war over who gets to live, who gets the regulated resources, abuses of all sorts, etc.
I've read some extreme "green" folks talk about how *all* of humanity itself should be killed because it's a disease or parasite on the planet.
Bruce
I don't know enough about the subject, it is why for me human created climate change is neither true or false. I don't know. You assert, along with very many others, that it is all nonsense. Yet, there are lots of others who claim that it is real. There are scientists on both sides of the argument. I am not a scientist by training, so I am in a very poor place to make an informed judgment.
For me the important point to pick out of your post was that Satan would use climate change to subvert Christianity, whether it was true or false. He's not fussy. He will even use Christian truths to subvert Christianity. He might say something like,
"Yes, of course works are a good thing. Be good, be kind to one another, it is enough. God wants too much from you when He demands faith as well. In fact, when you are doing good things for others, that of itself shows faith. You don't need to think about your faith all the time. Jesus may have died for your sins, but don't let anyone labour the point with you. Just concentrate on doing good things."
Soon, the poor mortal is being good and kind 24/7, but faith has withered away.
Intelligence combined with false pride makes a silly fool of Satan. He is for the lake of fire, and he knows it. Yet he does not repent. And he wants as many of us as possible to join him.
The results are in: leftists have no 'plan'. They have a pathology. They are effectively, and en-masse, insane.
Thanks to Donald Trump for writing this in huge neon lights, across the whole sky.
Prophets appear in unlikely guise.
Hair, and all.
I think this is onto something...
http://www.rooshv.com/the-end-goal-of-western-progressivism-is-depopulation
Here is a short list of progressive causes that have percolated from intellectuals and later sponsored or hijacked by billionaire activists and major government institutions of the West.
1. Abortion is a bodily “choice,” not human murder. Result: it decreases population.
2. Birth control is a “choice” that allows women to better practice consumer lifestyles. Result: it decreases population.
3. Female empowerment in the form of feminism and egalitarianism pushes women into corporate work with the goal of delaying motherhood (or eliminating it outright). Result: it decreases reproduction and family formation.
4. Promotion of sterile human relationships in the form of homosexuality and transsexuality can’t possibly result in the creation of life. Result: it decreases population, reproduction, and traditional family formation.
5. Promotion of atheism, nihilism, individualism, and consumerism as suitable alternatives to traditional living via nuclear family units. Result: it decreases reproduction and traditional family formation.
6. The needs of the “environment” must be served before that of living humans. Result: it makes human guilty of family formation.
7. Massive waves of foreign immigrants are encouraged entry into Western nations to break bonds between tribe and neighbor that decrease notions of nationalism and patriotism while transferring fertility and economic resources from native people to foreigers. Result: it decreases relative population of native citizens.
All of the above decreases the reproductive rate, either directly through the killing of life, or indirectly by promoting guilt and alternative lifestyles that are incompatible with the creation of life. At the same time, immigrant populations are allowed to grow at a faster rate that the natives’ ability to reproduce.
@Crow - I agree that there is no Leftist plan in the sense of end-point or utopia - their plan is destruction of The Good.
But in order to destroy they do use a few long term plans - which will be abandoned when or if they cease to be sufficiently destructive, or when something more destructive is found. Thus Old Left economic equality (of opportunity) and the deification of The Proletariat (mostly native white males) was abandoned during the mid-1960s for New Left sexual revolution - with the proletarian re-labelled evil and a new set of victim groups. But before that, the Proletariat had had several generations of idealization - pretty long term.
@Imnobody - But the world population continues to rocket, with another billion people arriving every couple of decades -
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-modern-world-is-selecting-for-pure.html
So, the pattern seems to be population-growth where that will wreak destruction, population decline where that will wreak destruction.
I tend to think that mass deaths and human suffering are a kind of naive 'minor demon obsession - as CS Lewis depicts it in The Screwtape letters.
But the major and most strategic demons are aiming at an active choice of evil, they want inversion of the Good, the revaluation of all values - they are playing a long game and using teh sexual revolution, equality, diversity, consumerism, the mass media, climate change and several other strategies in order to subvert, destroy and (idealy) invert Truth, Beatuty and Virtue - so that people are not merely evil, but want evil and prefer evil over Good (and hate, and voluntarily reject Good) - such that ultimately masses of people will reject Christ's offer of salvation because they regard salvation as evil.
As Western popluations shrink, age and decline (morally and genetically) then several billions of the world populaton will certainly die painfully and in fear - which will please the lesser demons. But the demonic leadership recognizes that this situation is extremely hazardous - because it may lead to mass conversions, and the choice of salvation.
The demonic ideal is for billions to die with suffering while actively rejecting salvation - holding fast to their evil delusions - knowing that they could repent and enjoy everlasting life if only they would repent and acknowledge the Lordship of Christ (the rightness of his plan for our salvation and happiness): but pride-fully, hate-fully, resent-fully defying God and actively-choosing damnation. That is the modern style of 'heroism'.
So far, the strategic demonic plan is shaping up very well in The West - our leadership, in all social systems including the major mainstream Christian churches, are now almost 100 percent on-board.
Yes, but ultimately the demons don't win, and they know it. Hang on to that.
I have assumed Leftists want power, and they want it for power's sake, but also to fulfill their agenda. They like power, but they do believe they are doing good, so they feel justified in accumulating and gaining power.
Global Warming can be used as justification to gain power to regulate energy, and all human affairs that involve the use of energy. "You can't do that, because it will create carbon dioxide, and you don't have a permit for it."
Similarly, paying for medical care allows for a situation to control human affairs by saying "he who pays the piper calls the tune." Leftists need power to provide medical care, and then they need you to do what they say (in terms of your lifestyle habits) in order to keep costs down.
These two together give them the power to control your lifestyle, your home, and your car.
I think the subconscious end game for American-style Leftists, which I don't think they even know yet, is the creation of a highly automated technological state, one where they can eventually figure out, "Just how many people can this planet support, anyway?" I think they seek a world in which 100-200 million people live in luxury and easily travel between various homes and resorts and adventure vacations and supported largely by technology and a few maintenance people, and that's it. The rest is national parks and environmental set-asides. They will justify it via environmentalism, a la a "lifeboat" rationalization. They will come for the Christians at that time.
I think the evil one's plan is much along those lines. Get rid of the proles, get rid of the rabble, get rid of the poor. Just have a small number of people, extremely wealthy and utterly beholden to evil.
@LK - I think there is no plan for a luxury techno elite - because Leftism is destroying/ has already mostly destroyed science and technological capability. The destructon will be general and include the elites themselves - who hate themselves, and who have stopped planning for the future - indifferent to even their own old age, and indifferent to what happens to their own children. It is one long, comprehensive suicide.
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