All the significant factors indicate that the 52% majority cited vote for the UK is a large underestimate of true support for Brexit, because:
1. Voting fraud. Easy-cheat postal voting has been introduced through the UK because it is easy to manipulate counts in marginal seats during general elections. This dishonesty favoured Remain, but relatively modestly overall, because the scale of voting was so vast compared with the local counts of a general election.*
2. Intimidation. Leave/ Brexit voters were and are still being intimidated by the monolithic bloc of powerful interests that revile and abuse them 24/ 7 via the mass media, official government 'information', and in the workplace via management propaganda. This strategy works to suppress Brexit voting, which is why Remain did it. Clearly, however, it does not suppress what people really think.
3. Sensationalism - The murder of a Remain MP Jo Cox was hyped and 'spun' as the direct fault of, and definitively characteristic of, the Brexit ideology. There was saturation coverage of this previously unknown person's death - culminating in a national funeral on something like the scale of Winston Churchill's. As Goebbels discovered, this strategy of dishonest association of ideas (Brexit = Murderers) works; which is why Remain did it.
4. England (and Wales) voted most strongly for Brexit because here the issues are clearer. The pro-Remain majorities of Scotland and Northern Ireland are made impossible to interpret by interference from 'independence' issues - they give an ambiguous signal.
5. Older people voted for Brexit - that is people who have lived and functioned in the EU over many years and who have direct personal experience. Young adults, whose Life experience is of school, college and social media - live inside a world where are told, a dozen times an hour - directly and indirectly, that Brexit voters are racists (and that racism is the ultimate human evil). When young English people grow-up and have done something, they will switch to Brexit for the rest of their lives.
6. Non-voters (such as myself) were almost certainly in a majority for Leave - in line with usual voting practises.
In sum, all the major factors favoured Remain, and caused underestimation of the underlying support for Leave.
The true level of support for Brexit in England is at least a 3:2 majority, maybe even 2:1.
Massive. Overwhelming. This is what we now know. Nothing more to discuss.
So - what next? Business as usual? Or not?
The Establishment is re-forming the Virtual World pre-Brexit, naturally and inevitably. As expected.
But now the mass of English people know that they are the mass of English people - their minds are not alone. There has been a communication of the real and actual English national consciousness outside of the control of the mass media but in the public realm. Now all those English people who support Brexit but did not - for whatever reason - vote for it, know for sure that they are part of a substantial majority.
This has had an effect - as of course it must. What was subjectively self-perceived as perhaps a minority of one, or just a few, is now known objectively to be a large majority.
And the attitude of the Establishment towards that majority is now much clearer. The Plans of the Establishment for that majority - the future envisaged by The Establishment - is much clearer.
Yet on paper and in terms of organisation nothing has changed. The Brexit vote is spun as 'advisory', not binding - just one 'opinion poll' among many... The virtual world has healed-over, the skin has reformed; and public life is 99.99 percent the same as it was two weeks ago; and the only references to Brexit are still negative.
No ripple disturbs the smooth surface of the pond.
But what is happening in the depths? What is happening in The Spirit of England? - call it Albion.
Two weeks ago it was possible to deny - with evidence, that is lack-of-evidence - that there are depths. Two weeks ago it was pure conjecture to suggest that Albion still existed at all - everything visible was merely the England given us by The Establishment. The world of Politics, Officials, Controllers, Entertainers, Enforcers...
But now we know there are depths, untouched by spin, hype, media and propaganda: objectively Albion survives, and Albion is large, powerful and un-daunted.
But what is actually, specifically happening in those depths is all-but imperceptible, except to the 'senses' of intuition and imagination, which the Establishment deny are real; and either lack genetically or have irrevocably suppressed.
The servants of The Establishment don't believe in Albion - they don't believe in a Spiritual reality to Life: they don't even believe in England!
They think life is economics, laws, the measurable and the traded opinions. For them Albion is a Fairy Story. And of course they are correct - A Fairy Story is precisely what Albion is! Their mistake is to assume that that means it isn't real.
Their Masters - those ultra-elite unhumane architects of ruin - of course know better. They know for sure and certain that the Spiritual dimension is ultimate reality; and all the rest is a distraction. They know for sure that Albion is real, and is stirring; and they are terrified.
(You can, indeed - if you tune-in for a moment, and you should certainly not do any more than that momentary attuning - actually feel their fear.)
So Albion is real, invisible to the senses and to scientific instruments - but the effects have now been observed.
So what is happening in the depths of Albion? What will be the next visible sign?
Note: Plus, of course, many people voted in the Brexit election who were not English - being very recent arrivals and migrants, with no stake or loyalty for any aspect of England. (As with the poster-lady transient lawyer, who is fronting the invisible-hand globalist-funded legal challenges to Brexit.) Also, for some reason I have never been able to fathom, resident nationals from the independent Republic or Ireland (and probably other places I don't know about) are able to vote in British elections. These non-English/ anti-English groups would vote strongly anti-Brexit. Meaning that the real majority of relevant English people in favour of Brexit is even larger than I suggest above.
Humanity seems to be in a vast wave of re-assessing what is important, and coming down on the side of the existential and mythic imaginative instead of the material and socially popular. This is the inevitable result of the backlash against the neurotics, who gained total control in the 1990s, but now we are seeing all of their programs and ideas turn out to be disasters.
@Brett - I agree, but would emphasise that the disaster is spiritual rather than at the level of socio-politics and economics.
The wave of re-assessment is the the first step - simple, primitive, inexplicit - towards a spiritual (but not yet religious) revival.
IF that is what enough people choose, it will be unstoppable - but where it ends-up is too early to say, and has not yet been decided.
When Jo Cox was murdered, I think many people felt (but would not state) that something fishy was going on. Even if there wasnt, the subsequent massaging of opinion using her death seemed trite after such a sense of evil manipulation.
The narrative that is being pushed now is of clueless Leave-ers regretting their decision as everything comes tumbling down around them. The attempt by the media and elites to instill fear and doubt seems to have, perversely, accelerated after the decision. That alone should be evidence that this is about deeper things than the economic and political future of Britain.
You answered in a comment before to someone that you consider Donald Trump better than the alternative. Do you think his impending election represents a similar reawakening of spirit?
@Luqman - Agreed - well said.
"you consider Donald Trump better than the alternative. Do you think his impending election represents a similar reawakening of spirit?"
No - definitely not. Given his connections and record; Trump seems likely to be a kind of covert Establishment candidate - ultimately serving the same masters as Clinton.
Brexit was about an issue, not a person - that is the difference.
But I did not understand Brexit until after it had happened - so it is possible that a vote for Trump might potentially carry the same spiritual symbolism - IF it represents a rejection of the secular Left Establishment and their motives by the American people (rather than a belief that Trump will himself change anything).
In that case it might mark an inflexion point.
From what I have read over the past year there are quite a few people who will vote for Trump precisely to send a message that they are fed up with the insanity they see manifested by our government. Trump is seen as a "wrecking ball" aimed at the political establishment and not as a solution to much of anything except, hopefully, the immigration issue. And even on immigration there seems to be general feeling among many that Trump will not accomplish much or, at best, accomplish only a small portion of what he has promised. Those who proclaim Trump as some kind of savior are pretty loud but I don't think they are a majority, or even a large minority, of those who will vote for him.
Our problem in the U.S. is that we are not voting an issue like Brexit - at least not directly. But the election is, in fact, about an issue: whether or not the nation will continue down the path of satanic lunacy and domination by openly evil people or whether the citizenry will retake their power and put an end to the destruction being wrought. Unfortunately we have to do this by choosing one of two very flawed candidates. Trump's big selling point is that the establishment is in complete agreement that they hate him and anyone who supports him. This signals to a very large number of voters that he is the only choice available, poor as it is, to make a statement against that same establishment. A vote for his opponent is simply a vote to continue, and likely accelerate, the degeneration that has gripped the nation.
It is interesting to me that in neither the Brexit vote nor in the upcoming U.S. election is the outcome assured even if the anti-establishment position wins. My understanding is that the political class in the U.K. can choose to pretty much ignore the result of that vote. Likewise in the U.S. the election of one man, no matter to what office, can be ignored or the consequences deflected by the establishment. The key is the people themselves. If the majority are determined to push the issue and not back down then things will change. So it is up to the people which is to say it is up to each of them to determine if what they voted for is worth taking a real stand and even taking some risks. Agency matters.
@Sean - My discussion is spiritual, not socio-political/ economic.
What matters is salvation and theosis - and it will not matter if the Leave vote is 'ignored' and Brexit does not happen IF it represents and tends to rekindle hope in the hearts of Men, and encourages some people to reject generations of incremental nihilism.
And contrariwise - if Brexit is achieved quickly and efficiently, and leads to an economic boom and an end to population replacement - then this will not matter a jot if the UK then merely continues with its down-spiral of materialism, self-hatred, and hedonic nihilism.
In sum, I think it is misleading to compare the US and the UK, and to compare Brexit and Trump. The differences are greater than the similarities.
Albion can never die - it is part of spiritual reality created by God. There are also other real nations (spiritually real, so really real), which may, or may not, occupy the borders of a current State. Russia is an example. Real Russia is most closely represented today on the surface by Orthodoxy. Underneath it, there is a massively spiritual force, which can never die, but which is more or less asleep today.
From time to time, the spirit of a nation rises out of slumber, and then we may see Truth in the eyes of a people, but dark forces inevitably push realisation backwards into coma. This pattern has always been, and will always be, until the end.
Sic semper tyrannis
Curious and possibly less-than-half-baked thought, comparing the Third Age and the current situation - Gondor, apparently King-less, not very actively related to Rohan and parts westward, the Istari Council there in good part to help the human beings (and Elves), but Saruman secretly working on at least a sort of 'Isgardian Union' incorporating the Shire. In the event, Saruman both pragmatically and spitefully shifts his base of operations to the Shire, but the returning hobbit Companions surprisingly achieve a 'Shirexit' from the 'IU', and into the wider world which is also clearly once again a Kingdom. Yet Tolkien did not see an extended rosy future in the Fourth Age.
David Llewellyn Dodds
Sic semper tyrannis = (something like) Thus I kill tyrants (apparently)
@David - Indeed!
It has been extraordinary to hear pro-EU people talking of this Godless, god-hating, nihilistic and morally-inverting bureaucracy as if it was Byzantium or the Holy Roman Empire! This is a wonderfully clear example of the moral inversion of modernity.
"Tolkien did not see an extended rosy future in the Fourth Age." This is because Tolkien's type of Christianity saw the world as intrinsically winding down and declining. However, that background fact did not excuse Men from choosing well and doing their best.
Hope was necessary, a moral imperative (despair is an evil and leads to greater evil, as illustrated in the story); but hope was 'not of this world', instead for the next.
"However, that background fact did not excuse Men from choosing well and doing their best.
"Hope was necessary, a moral imperative (despair is an evil and leads to greater evil, as illustrated in the story)".
Indeed! Achieving as just a society as possible is the responsibility of each and all (in their degree and sort - which, I take it, leaves room for eremiticism, etc.), with full cognizance of the mutability of the cosmos - and human imperfection.
I think of John Adams's 'Letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, 11 October 1798': "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." (Assuming Wikiquotes is accurate, here!) Eric Voegelin is good on the basic impossibility of 'constructing' any polity that will function well regardless of the spiritual and moral character of its constituents.
David Llewellyn Dodds
then this will not matter a jot if the UK then merely continues with its down-spiral of materialism, self-hatred, and hedonic nihilism.
People know that something has gone terribly wrong. They don't understand what it is that has gone wrong. They are angry and they know that things need to change but they don't realise just how big the task is. They don't realise it goes beyond mere politics.
@doom "they don't realise just how big the task is. "
Just so, that is the scary thing - when it begins to dawn on you.
And anything less than very big will hardly make a difference. It is not merely that the leadership are not even trying to do the right things. The current situation is that The West is led by a class actively trying to do the wrong things, as fast as they can get-away-with.
The West is deliberately being led ever deeper into comprehesive self annihilation encompassing the social, psychological and ultimately spiritual.
However, at the individual level - the task is accomplished by repentance and willingness to set to work; and at the individual level it is never too late and things are never too bad.
If the penny drops about this in increasing numbers of human hearts - then who knows what may be possible?
The penny dropping seems to be for most people an idea that Socialism is the next best step! I find myself surrounded by Communist Idealists who are convinced that somehow, even though the Communist experiment was already done several times around the world and the result was horrific! And yet despite this people 20 or 30 years older than me (and perhaps who should know better) are joining Socialist meeting groups and insisting this time things will somehow work?! I find this to be a totally mindblowing denial of history! These same people are deeply hostile to my Christian faith and religion per se. I am becoming genuinely frightened about what will be just around the corner!
@David - Sure, that is part of the surface. But not what interest me.
David Balfour got me thinking of what Lewis says in Mere Christianity (III.3) about if there were a Christian society and we visited it, "We should feel that its economic life was very 'socialist' [...] but that its family life and its code of manners were rather old fashioned - perhaps even ceremonious and aristocratic" and further (IV.6) that "a Christian must not be either a Totalitarian or an Individualist. [...] We have got to keep our eyes on the goal and go straight through between both errors." If - and/or insofar - as he's right, one has the task of working for and defending a proper Christian concern with the concrete human person alone and in community, against all sorts of ideologues and their disciples seizing on, haring off with, distorting,hijacking one or another proper thread of the 'fabric' Lewis calls 'the Tao' in The Abolition of Man. Not easy! - but what else is there to do?
David Llewellyn Dodds
@DLD - Many people including CSL have confused Christian economics with socialism - but there is a major difference: the difference between charitable giving aid on the one hand, and state confiscation and bureaucratic provision on the other.
The Mormon state of Deseret under Brigham Young was a remarkable example of successful Christian economics in the mid 1800s - visitors, even those hostile to the Mormons, were clear that poverty had been abolished, and pretty much everybody worked.
Bruce - do you consider there are any resemblances with the outbreak of the English Revolution (and then Civil War)? I wonder if there is not some small possibility that's what lies ahead - maybe a thirty year civil war with foreign involvement too. But it would only been as such in quite some years time, although it also depends on economic developments in September and next year. Far from certain,but it just strikes me as possible right now.
@Laeeth - I don't see any significant resemblance - for me, the main thing about the current situation is that it is unprecedented.
Just one extra thought on this - why were Commonwealth citizens resident in UK allowed to vote in EU referendum:
"MigrationWatch UK says 1.6 million non-naturalised Commonwealth citizens living in Britain and Irish nationals should be barred from voting in the poll"
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